D.A.F.C Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 14 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Cereal killer thread for this pish. There's hardly a shreddies of evidence for your claim. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Nevada residents voted to tighten gun laws last year, the swamp blocked it. https://ballotpedia.org/Nevada_Background_Checks_for_Gun_Purchases,_Question_1_(2016) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Had anyone tried prayer? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podlie Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Gunmakers share prices rose today, following the shooting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 America must be the only place in the world where the answer to a mass shooting is not more regulation and less guns, but less regulation and more guns. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I post on a couple of forums predominantly frequented by Americans. The vast majority (90% plus) have an unhealthy obsession with guns and are enraged if gun control is even talked about. 'Protect my family' is the most common phrase used. Their cult like worship of the military and unwavering belief in a Sky Fairy also adds to my realisation that it's not a place I could ever imagine myself wanting to live in. My neighbour is an American guy...otherwise seemingly normal. He enjoys shooting birds and other small animals with a slingshot. I'm sure he would love to own a gun and shoot them with that instead. Americans, eh! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arabdownunder Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Quote “This is the price of freedom. Violent nuts are allowed to roam free until they do damage, no matter how threatening they are.” https://www.billoreilly.com/b/Mass-Murder-in-Las-Vegas/851098107399788721.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProgressiveLiberal Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 7 hours ago, Dindeleux said: Honestly.........just leave this forum you are an absolute weapon. Identify which part of my statement was wrong. You can't. 6 hours ago, NotThePars said: I hate to be this snobbish but honestly the minter of a guy handed all the privileges of being born straight, white and male who ends up working as a delivery driver holding those views on racial superiority. Don't know what you do, but there's probably more than a 50-50 shot that I'm richer than you. Don't have any views on "racial superiority." Just think that culture / race matters on many issues more than class when it comes to behavior. This shouldn't be a controversial statement. It's backed up by facts. 6 hours ago, welshbairn said: I suspect the only times he encounters a delivery driver is when his boss tells him to go to reception and sign for some stationary supplies. You think I'm an office turkey in the monkey suit? Ain't bout that life. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 15 minutes ago, TheProgressiveLiberal said: Identify which part of my statement was wrong. You can't. Don't know what you do, but there's probably more than a 50-50 shot that I'm richer than you. Don't have any views on "racial superiority." Just think that culture / race matters on many issues more than class when it comes to behavior. This shouldn't be a controversial statement. It's backed up by facts. You think I'm an office turkey in the monkey suit? Ain't bout that life. Quite the c**t, aren't you? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProgressiveLiberal Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Kilbowie: I don't disagree with most of what you responded. 1. Interesting how you tout Scotland. Scotland is 96% white with 5.5 million people, so it's a decent comp to compare your murder rate to the white murder rate by US state. Wiki says Scotland was an average of 1.42/100,000 over 5 years from 2010-2014. I typed "white murder rate by US state" into Google. I found a blog post that attempted to read into the FBI statistics and figure out the number. It's not perfect and you can't break out Hispanics from Whites, but here's the results of his efforts. The numbers are from the five years around the year 2006. http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2013/01/white-murder-rates-by-state.html The following states have white murder rates lower than Scotland, despite our gun ownership: New Hampshire, Minnesota, Iowa, North Dakota, Nebraska, South Dakota, Illinois, and Wisconsin. In addition the following states are under 2/100,000: Vermont, Maine, Utah, Delaware, Ohio, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Montana, and Oregon. Of the 7 states over 4/100,000, all except Alaska have heavy Hispanic populations (Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Oklahoma, Texas). Looking around the blogs other posts they do seem to focus on racial issues, so you can take that into account. Read the article to understand their methodology. 2. You bring up mental health care: What would you change? This guy had money. Most of these white, mentally ill mass shooters had money. How do we get them their mental health counseling. It's commonly pointed out that one of the reasons for the explosion of violence rates in our country in the 1970s and 80s was the end of most involuntarily commitment for the mentally ill. If people have the resources to get help, but won't, what should we do? 3. Thank you for mentioning Canada's gun ownership. We have a more violent culture. Always have. Look at the colonial era. Look at the Western expansion. And it remains the same today. That's what I mean about culture being important. 4. It's not just the IRA. I assume that the mafia and organized Muslim groups have access to guns if they want them. If criminal gangs want guns in the UK they can get them. Imagine how much easier it will be in the USA where there are 300 million guns and will be widespread civil disobedience to any gun ban. Getting 1/3rd of them turned in voluntarily would count as a massive victory, but even that number would probably be unrealistic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProgressiveLiberal Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 6 hours ago, DigOutYourSoul said: I'm over in the states just now and the way this is being reported is crazy. I've had CNN, Fox and CBS on today and there's been barley any talk of guns/access to guns being an issue. To me that's symptomatic of the issue, an issue that will never change. In any other country 500 people being injured by a pre-planned, well executed attack like this would cause serious questions to be asked about how someone managed to get access to this kind of killing power. But here it's fully accepted. I've spoken to a few Americans by the pool today and it's just re-affirmed to me the fact that they've now gone beyond the point of no return when it comes to guns and this is just a consequence of the environment that is NRA America. A large percentage of us grew up around guns, so we don't have a fear of them. We can do the math in our head on the likelihood of being killed in an event like this. It's so low as to not even register. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProgressiveLiberal Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 5 hours ago, Podlie said: Gunmakers share prices rose today, following the shooting. Not surprising. There will be a run by people worried that gun laws might be tightened. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 6 hours ago, invergowrie arab said: Had anyone tried prayer? Aye, but everyone I mentioned is still alive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 3, 2017 Author Share Posted October 3, 2017 7 hours ago, ICTChris said: One of the attackers brothers has said that he wasn't a gun nut or even interested in them. Apparently his dad was a convicted bank robber, a diagnosed psychopath who had been on the FBIs most wanted. His neighbours have said he was a weirdo because he was so quiet. Maybe he just hated country and western music? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unleash The Nade Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 hour ago, TheProgressiveLiberal said: A large percentage of us grew up around guns, so we don't have a fear of them. We can do the math in our head on the likelihood of being killed in an event like this. It's so low as to not even register. Hmm Maybe if you used the " math" to calculate Americans + guns = Dangerous , then maybe you would have more fear of them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 8 hours ago, Jimmy85 said: Old man. Poor eyesight. I know some posters have joked about it but it genuinely could've been accidental. Aye, he was probably trying to scare away the pigeons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 “This is the price of freedom. Violent nuts are allowed to roam free until they do damage, no matter how threatening they are.” https://www.billoreilly.com/b/Mass-Murder-in-Las-Vegas/851098107399788721.htmlBill O’Reilly is a sex pest, a racist, a homophobe, blind to logic and only capable of single clause sentences, but he’s still not the dumbest person (formerly)on Fox (Carlson) or the most bigoted (Hannity).These guys and Infowars are laughable. Their only defence is “but but but civil liberties... but but but Ferguson”. On that note, at some point over the last week, Joseph Paul Watson made the jump from cognitively challenged conspiracy loonball into out-and-out KKK apologist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 FFS, I'm going to Vegas in December and will now need to take 20 rifles with me to be safe. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, Zetterlund said: FFS, I'm going to Vegas in December and will now need to take 20 rifles with me to be safe. Best get extra luggage allowance booked up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 2 hours ago, TheProgressiveLiberal said: The following states have white murder rates lower than Scotland, despite our gun ownership: New Hampshire, Minnesota, Iowa, North Dakota, Nebraska, South Dakota, Illinois, and Wisconsin. So out of 'Murica's 50 states, only 8 have white murder rates lower than Scotland? Scotland has some pretty mental places. Not a great stat, bucko. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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