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To be fair the UK Government could demand the enforced death of every first-born child in Scotland and you'd be sharpening your Union Jack-handled blade whilst whistling "Rule Britannia".


What a strange and disturbing view of the world you have!!
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They'll have made this decision well before it came out but those numbers from last night would suggest the "hard Brexit = Indyref2" strategy is probably a sound one. According to that poll at least, a hard Brexit tips us over into favouring a second Referendum. I know not everyone who doesn't want another vote is a no voter and not everyone who does will vote Yes but I'd say the electorate wanting another vote is a good sign for the prospects of a Yes result. 

I don't know when that poll was conducted but I'd argue that the more the actual reality of Brexit kicks in, the easier it's going to be for the Yes side. Even as someone who was a definite Remain voter, it's been more depressing than I imagined. 

Whether voting Yes this time will actually keep us in the EU could be the deciding factor here. This isn't in anyway a prediction (more just outright wishful thinking at this stage) but (Keegan voice) I would love it, I would loooove it, if the EU started helping us out to get it up rUK. Guy Verhofstadt's patter suggests that's a possibility but then there's the Spain/France veto question..who knows.

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That sentence says it all Stubbsy, 'I would LOVE it if the EU started helping us out, to get it up rUK' !! The thoughts of a rational man, that will no doubt be reciprocated by companies such as, BMW, Audi, Fiat, Peugeot, BASF, Siemens, VW, Bosch & Adidas etc... Jeezus!!

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This thread is an example that too much of modern politics is driven by emotion.

The rise of UKIP, the SNP, Donald trump and more is an emotional one.

For clarity I voted yes in 2014 after much soul searching and I'm sure a second referendum would result in the same torture.

I am in favour of an eventual independence but we cannot have independence at any cost. The SNP need to provide a proper plan. In retrospect the white paper did not do that.

Please Nicola present a credible and supportable argument.

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1 minute ago, Dons_1988 said:

This thread is an example that too much of modern politics is driven by emotion.

The rise of UKIP, the SNP, Donald trump and more is an emotional one.
 

Not for me, I am fully confident that the people of Scotland can manage the Scottish economy better than Westminster.

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Not for me, I am fully confident that the people of Scotland can manage the Scottish economy better than Westminster.



Based on what?

This isn't having a go, I doubt anyone on here really knows the cost of breaking up the union and how Scotland would really do as an independent nation.

Again, hearts says independence just not at any cost. It is almost impossible to know what an independent Scotland looks like.
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4 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

 


Based on what?

This isn't having a go, I doubt anyone on here really knows the cost of breaking up the union and how Scotland would really do as an independent nation.

Again, hearts says independence just not at any cost. It is almost impossible to know what an independent Scotland looks like.

I think the big difference now is that it is equally impossible to know what a post-brexit Britain looks like and how it will really function with the exception of knowing that it is likely to be worse than it is today.

I think it also makes a difference that we can see the attitudes of those leading us, there are few people who can be attracted to the Hard-brexit ideas of Theresa May or what is likely to come from that whilst even if you are not an SNP fan, its likely that many will still probably agree more with their ideas around this area.

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27 minutes ago, RedRob72 said:

That sentence says it all Stubbsy, 'I would LOVE it if the EU started helping us out, to get it up rUK' !! The thoughts of a rational man, that will no doubt be reciprocated by companies such as, BMW, Audi, Fiat, Peugeot, BASF, Siemens, VW, Bosch & Adidas etc... Jeezus!!

As has been established, I want Scotland to remain in the EU. We've a situation in 5 or 6 months where the EU will be entering into bitter negotiations with the UK. The EU offering a sympathetic hand to Scotland in an effort to undermine the UK may be the best, or even only, chance of me retaining my EU citizenship that doesn't involve me digging out relatives birth certificates and sending off a hundred quid for a new passport.

I'd say that's perfectly rational. The politics of Scotland could be one extra thorn in the side of May, Fox and co's efforts to turn this island into an absolute backwater and I'm perfectly happy about that. 

14 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

This thread is an example that too much of modern politics is driven by emotion.

The rise of UKIP, the SNP, Donald trump and more is an emotional one.

For clarity I voted yes in 2014 after much soul searching and I'm sure a second referendum would result in the same torture.

I am in favour of an eventual independence but we cannot have independence at any cost. The SNP need to provide a proper plan. In retrospect the white paper did not do that.

Please Nicola present a credible and supportable argument.

Emotional votes tend to be busted flushes for that very reason, which is why UKIP and Donald Trump have both peaked already. The SNP have won election after election over nearly a decade. Such a lazy argument to lump them all in together.

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this Is mental, we'll  get a hiding again. I realy hope im wrong with that prediction but I just cant see yes winning.

13 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

This thread is an example that too much of modern politics is driven by emotion.

The rise of UKIP, the SNP, Donald trump and more is an emotional one.

pretty much true, not because its a bad idea but because people just believe what they want.

as someone who voted yes 2 years ago and who voted to leave the eu its mental how many of yous have switched 180 degrees . 2 years ago the no's were telling us doom, gloom more doom and doom&gloom whilst the yes'ers were crying bullshit & scaremongering. now many (not all) of the yes'ers are desperate for the sky to fall in now that we voted to leave. (we btw because we voted to stay in the uk, and this referendum was already promised before the 2014 vote) loads on here are loving all this brexit turmoil as if to say I told you so.

the sky wont fall in, the markets would do the same if we left the uk, they would recover in the end. Britain will leave the eu in some shape or form and less than 50 % of scots will vote for independence if the vote is held in the net 5 years.

hiding to nothing, better wait till the times right than f**k it completely

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