BawWatchin Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Just now, tirso said: what specificically is it in May's deal that the SNP disagree with. Apart from it being Brexit at all? would prefer meat on the bones which could actually change people's opinions. REally don't think the SNP are taking advantage here as much as they should be. Eh, how about the ending of free movement? Exit from the single market and customs union? False promises made to the fishing industry? Slower economic growth forecast. A special deal for Northern Ireland that gives them a competitive edge over Scotland by allowing them to remain in the single market while we get dragged out? The SNP don't just disagree, they're furious and the whole of Scotland should be as well. Because neither the deal or no deal option is good news for Scotlands economy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 what specificically is it in May's deal that the SNP disagree with. Apart from it being Brexit at all? would prefer meat on the bones which could actually change people's opinions. REally don't think the SNP are taking advantage here as much as they should be.A £9 billion shrinkage of the Scottish economy by 2030 is enough of a reason. Another reason is that the deal agrees f**k all except keeping Northern Ireland in the Single Market and ignoring Scotland completely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) Just occurred to me that I want Scotland to get more civilised by getting out of the UK, and the UK to retain some sense of civil responsibility by staying in the EU. I don't see that as a paradox. Edited November 30, 2018 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 This economist is not gonnae be invited back by the BBC anytime soon https://mobile.twitter.com/zeebeving/status/1068042937760694272/video/1 How did the beeb propaganda filters let that one slip through the net The Scottish economy contributes £200 billion a year to UK GDP!! The block grant we get back is something like £90 billion annually. How come then with 9% of the population then we are assigned 35% of the debt and shown as having this huge deficit. Creative accounting UK style. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 1 hour ago, git-intae-thum said: This economist is not gonnae be invited back by the BBC anytime soon https://mobile.twitter.com/zeebeving/status/1068042937760694272/video/1 How did the beeb propaganda filters let that one slip through the net The Scottish economy contributes £200 billion a year to UK GDP!! The block grant we get back is something like £90 billion annually. How come then with 9% of the population then we are assigned 35% of the debt and shown as having this huge deficit. Creative accounting UK style. Scotland! Too wee! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrExile Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 8 hours ago, git-intae-thum said: This economist is not gonnae be invited back by the BBC anytime soon https://mobile.twitter.com/zeebeving/status/1068042937760694272/video/1 How did the beeb propaganda filters let that one slip through the net The Scottish economy contributes £200 billion a year to UK GDP!! The block grant we get back is something like £90 billion annually. How come then with 9% of the population then we are assigned 35% of the debt and shown as having this huge deficit. Creative accounting UK style. So about 9% of the population is generating around 9% of GDP. Were we not meant to be subsidising England? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 So about 9% of the population is generating around 9% of GDP. Were we not meant to be subsidising England? And receiving a significantly reduced portion of that back, thats the key point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 4 hours ago, AyrExile said: So about 9% of the population is generating around 9% of GDP. Were we not meant to be subsidising England? They're meant to be subsidising us, no? Maybe I'm missing something but £200bn sounds like a lot of produce for a wee nation of 5m folk? This guy isn't the first economist to spell out the consequences to rUK should Scotland leave and 'take the oil with her'. We have more than just oil too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Scotland pretty much has the resources that any country our size would give their left bollock for. Add our financial services and other exports into the equation and we are already a very wealthy nation, independence would amplify that. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 1 hour ago, SweeperDee said: Scotland pretty much has the resources that any country our size would give their left bollock for. Add our financial services and other exports into the equation and we are already a very wealthy nation, independence would amplify that. Iceland an example... Now 100 yrs old and doing fairly well IIRC w/o oil, whisky or our tourism amongst other assets. Jailed those crooked bankers too. We gave them knighthoods... https://www.thenational.scot/news/17269020.iceland-at-100-the-benefits-of-independence/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 I don’t like the oil argument given that we should be moving away from any reliance on it. Isn’t our renewables potential meant to be really good? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 After brexit day we have a transition period to 2020 correct?So there will be a ~1 year of brexit reality before next SG elections, and another ~1 year before next UKG elections.If I was a tory wanting to kill independence I would be borrowing huge amounts to make that 2020-2021 period not feel so bad to the ordinary punter. So I'd say indyref2 is probably at least 2 years off and depends on the above failing and SNP majority post 2021Agreed, Sturgeon has no need to rush into a 2nd Ref. She quietly knows that more Scots voted to leave the EU in 2016 than supported the SNP in the GE a year later. She can wait until the effects of Brexit start to kick in then pick up the converts, disgruntled with WM to secure the necessary majority. Its still a gamble, but the writings on the wall, the Tory hardliners just don’t see it and will have only themselves to blame. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrie Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, NotThePars said: I don’t like the oil argument given that we should be moving away from any reliance on it. Isn’t our renewables potential meant to be really good? Considering all it does is pish it down and blow a gale in Scotland, we're absolutely sorted for water generated power and wind energy, https://www.scottishrenewables.com/sectors/renewables-in-numbers/ I'd really like Scotland to do more and more tidal energy. Edited December 1, 2018 by Comrie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 1 hour ago, RedRob72 said: Agreed, Sturgeon has no need to rush into a 2nd Ref. She quietly knows that more Scots voted to leave the EU in 2016 than supported the SNP in the GE a year later. She can wait until the effects of Brexit start to kick in then pick up the converts, disgruntled with WM to secure the necessary majority. Its still a gamble, but the writings on the wall, the Tory hardliners just don’t see it and will have only themselves to blame. What pish is this? Provide the supporting evidence please. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Leave voters: 10183232017 SNP voters: 977569https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendumhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_Kingdom_general_electionApples and Oranges 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 *shrug* wasn't my argument but it isn't pish as suggested.Fair doos 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 6 hours ago, NotThePars said: I don’t like the oil argument given that we should be moving away from any reliance on it. Isn’t our renewables potential meant to be really good? Yes it is but the route to market has been roadblocked by May in favour of nuclear at twice the price 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 What pish is this? Provide the supporting evidence please.Figures kindly provided in the link above, over 40,000 votes. So more than the size of Stirling? Surprised me too tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 12 hours ago, Comrie said: Considering all it does is pish it down and blow a gale in Scotland, we're absolutely sorted for water generated power and wind energy, https://www.scottishrenewables.com/sectors/renewables-in-numbers/ I'd really like Scotland to do more and more tidal energy. Not an area that I have much knowledge of but logic would suggest that tidal would be more consistent than the other renewable sources. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 8 hours ago, RedRob72 said: Figures kindly provided in the link above, over 40,000 votes. So more than the size of Stirling? Surprised me too tbh. More importantly. How many of them would still vote leave? You don't hear many owning up to it these days. There may be a "shy leave" effect going on of course..........like "shy tory" or........"shy no" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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