Gaz FFC Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, MixuFixit said: plenty of people voted for the tories to their own personal benefit and probably feel bad about how the tories treat the least able to defend themselves, Am I supposed to feel sorry for them or hope they die a horrible death a horrible death in a rat infested bedsit? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 38 minutes ago, sjc said: The banks have used the capital to buy back their stock thus artificially inflating their value. People thinking that the economy is booming, nay, doing well just because the FTSE/NASDAQ is going up obviously don't realise it's based purely on QE, which turns out to be public debt! The whole solution in 2008 was to kick the problem down the road and hope that it cleared itself up or someone came up with an actual solution in the meantime. As it stands, if there was another economic downturn, more people would actually be in a poorer position to deal with it than they were in 2008. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 21 minutes ago, Gaz FFC said: Am I supposed to feel sorry for them or hope they die a horrible death a horrible death in a rat infested bedsit? The latter. Definitely the latter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 HaHa. Pulling an all nighter to defend the Union, arise Sir Lush and join the other decorated men of the Empire such as prince andrew, rolf harris, jimmy savile stuart hall and all the other dodgy characters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, Ross. said: The whole solution in 2008 was to kick the problem down the road and hope that it cleared itself up or someone came up with an actual solution in the meantime. As it stands, if there was another economic downturn, more people would actually be in a poorer position to deal with it than they were in 2008. The 2008 rescue package was designed by the banks themselves, safe in the knowledge that the Politicians would get the public to bail them out. They'd have been better off paying everyones mortgage off to refinance the banks. Like you say, they've just kicked the can down the road. Interest rates are already hovering around 2% - zero, and are even negative in some Countries. QE is the only stimulus they have available when the next crash comes. I saw that car loan delinquencies in the US has hit 8% (something similar to housing delinquencies just before the 2008 crash). Student loan delinquencies are at 11%! It's a matter of time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Independence referendum will happen late 2022 and Yes will win. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) I presume this proposed new trespass legislation will not apply in Scotland. Unless Westminster overrules the Scottish parliament, that is. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/15/tresspass-trap-law-land-travelling-people-rights Edited January 15, 2020 by cyderspaceman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 minute ago, John Lambies Doos said: Independence referendum will happen late 2022 and Yes will win. Partick Thistle will retain the Champions league title in 2025. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Partick Thistle will retain the Champions league title in 2025. Get yer money on it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilScotsman Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 17 hours ago, Malky3 said: Let's try this another way. The SNP claim that there was a fundamental change in the offering from the Union with regard to the EU. But lets say the SNP had succeeded in 2014 in winning a Yes vote on the back of this White Paper. Would they be keen to allow Unionists a second referendum on the back of the realisation that the Oil Tax Revenue figures were a pile of shite, that arguments that Scotland would have everything we were used to but a lower tax rate was fantasist shite, and that the prospect of an open border with England - as promised - was going to be denied to us as England left the EU and we remained (like Ireland) They wouldn't be able to stop it, if we assume that your fantasy scenario would lead to the Scottish electorate voting for a party or parties with a manifesto commitment to holding said referendum. Unless you're suggesting a 'Yes' vote would have led to an SNP dictatorship, but I'm fairly confident that wasn't in the White Paper you're so fond of quoting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 13 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: The Natters on here are banging on about non-Scots, assault rifles and the Scottish Republican Army. Add to the mix that their party of shame had a photo op with the political wing of the IRA last week. It's as clear as my varifocals can be that Scottish Nationalism has taken a very ugly turn. There has certainly been a very dangerous ramping up of rhetoric that has been going on since before the General Election. It's not as if I would ever have voted for the SNP anyway, but the growing number of Nationalists who insist on going down this more extremist route are only going to further entrench opinions against Scottish Independence. After all how the hell could I vote for Scottish Independence when a proportion of their number believe I, as a Tory voter, should be hunted out of my country as a traitor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Where do I sign up for this Scottish Republican Army? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 There has certainly been a very dangerous ramping up of rhetoric that has been going on since before the General Election. It's not as if I would ever have voted for the SNP anyway, but the growing number of Nationalists who insist on going down this more extremist route are only going to further entrench opinions against Scottish Independence. After all how the hell could I vote for Scottish Independence when a proportion of their number believe I, as a Tory voter, should be hunted out of my country as a traitor. No one believes that you melt. Regardless of your political sway it's your BritNat posting which should banish you from these lands 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, Suspect Device said: Where do I sign up for this Scottish Republican Army? Serious question. If people feel they are denied their democratic rights is it beyond believe that some will feel justified in taking direct action? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, Dougie82 said: Dublin I believe,if the guy is still alive Adam Busby? SNLA surely, not SRA? I think he's dead but his son is as much of a fruitcake. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Serious question. If people feel they are denied their democratic rights is it beyond believe that some will feel justified in taking direct action? No. Unless there was a real denial of democracy. We still haven't reached that imo because there's still not a consistent and clear majority in favour of independence in any polls or elections AFAIK. Scraping just over 50% occasionally isn't good enough. Hopefully Bojo's tactics and Brexit reality will increase support for independence but at the moment it's still too evenly divided. Not sure if you were being serious. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 The 2008 rescue package was designed by the banks themselves, safe in the knowledge that the Politicians would get the public to bail them out. They'd have been better off paying everyones mortgage off to refinance the banks. Like you say, they've just kicked the can down the road. Interest rates are already hovering around 2% - zero, and are even negative in some Countries. QE is the only stimulus they have available when the next crash comes. I saw that car loan delinquencies in the US has hit 8% (something similar to housing delinquencies just before the 2008 crash). Student loan delinquencies are at 11%! It's a matter of time.No I’m sure the people hoarding more and more of that wealth will start spending it soon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 minute ago, NotThePars said: No I’m sure the people hoarding more and more of that wealth will start spending it soon. Not sure if this is a whoosh, but even as a capitalist (not a corporate capitalist/hegemonist(sp)), I don't believe in trickle down economics....... especially from the 1%! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 38 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Serious question. If people feel they are denied their democratic rights is it beyond believe that some will feel justified in taking direct action? You could direct the volunteers from your retirement flat in Lanzarote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 37 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Serious question. If people feel they are denied their democratic rights is it beyond believe that some will feel justified in taking direct action? I'd like to see non-violent demonstrations outside Number 10 - maybe on a similar scale to the climate change protesters, and hopefully causing some major disruption in and around that area. As Nicola asked this morning : Who should get to take a decision on this issue - the people of Scotland or Boris fucking Johnson? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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