GordonS Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, SandyCromarty said: Constituency voting in the Holyrood 2016 election SNP - 1,059.898 Con - 501,844 Lab - 514,261 Lib - 13,172 The total Constituency votes for the Con/Lab/Lib parties was 1, 029.277 That is around 30,000 votes less than the SNP received. And that is not counting the pro Independence Green Party constituency votes which obviously would push the SNP total higher. I would say that is a Majority for Independence. You've made an arse of those numbers btw. Worth checking again. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Lex said: There will be local issues and levels of tactical voting in every constituency. What we can say with absolute certainty however, is that more Scottish people voted for union supporting parties than independence supporting parties in 2017 and 2019. Those are Westminster elections in which the biggest issue by far was Brexit, so they're hardly comparable and scarcely even relevant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 7 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: . @Gordon EFis, though a normal Natter. Driven by identity and grudge. I'm going to assume self-awareness is very much not your thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, Lex said: Could equally point out that not all SNP voters favour independence. There was certainly a good level of Tory tactical voting going on in Scotland in Lab/SNP marginals to get the SNP in and keep Comrade Corbyn out. And it worked. There will be local issues and levels of tactical voting in every constituency. What we can say with absolute certainty however, is that more Scottish people voted for union supporting parties than independence supporting parties in 2017 and 2019. Actually agree with Lex here, to a certain extent. Elections are not referendums. We can't claim that a majority of people in Scotland voted for independence supporting parties in recent elections. Independence might be the main issue in Scottish politics but it's not the only one. Some indpendence supporters for for unionist parties and some unionists vote for independence supporting parties. The simple fact is that if the Scottish parliament has a majority of MSPs who support a referendum, that is a mandate and there should be a referendum. If it doesn't there shouldn't be one. That's democracy, if people in Scotland don't want another referendum, there's an incredibly simple mechanism to achieve that... vote for a party who're opposed to that at Holyrood elections. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 hours ago, jamamafegan said: I once upon a time made a thread in this forum asking no voters to convince us all that voting no is the right thing to do. After all, the onus is on them to do so seeing as the sensible majority have voted for a party who’s primary goal is to deliver Scottish independence in the past few elections now. Stormzy’s main reasons from what I’ve seen are: - I’m content with the way things are and - it was a once in a generation vote These are piss poor reasons for arguing the case of the Union. It’s especially bad that this is all Stormzy came armed with when he entered this “cesspit” to tell everyone they were having a “circle jerk” (lol). Lots of growing up to do for the wee man. This might be alright if I desired genuine discussion from this place. I love that you think the onus is on the Unionists to convince the other side though, I think you vastly underestimate the good old silent majority that would of course need to be convinced to change the status quo. You have an insincere understanding of party politics too re the SNP and majorities, wee man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 If more Scottish people are voting for pro union parties than pro independence parties, what do you think this means?I think it means that a percentage of folk who believe in independence aren't voting for the SNP or the Greens. Polling bears that out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 This might be alright if I desired genuine discussion from this place.Seeing as that’s the mindset you’ve had since you decided to post in here, I suggest you take your absolutely god awful reasons for supporting a failing union and f**k off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Anyone who thinks that a rogue MP, who I've never heard of tbh, and has been dealt with swiftly by the SNP is going to make any dent whatsoever in our glorious path to self determination...is frankly for the birds 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, jamamafegan said: Seeing as that’s the mindset you’ve had since you decided to post in here, I suggest you take your absolutely god awful reasons for supporting a failing union and f**k off. Ahahah calm down big man. You f**k off, I'm a nice change here you're like mould at this point. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonapersona Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 hours ago, DA Baracus said: Another Project Fear domino topples: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/business-chiefs-relaxed-about-prospect-of-scottish-independence-vzjnl7wt3 This is good stuff. The mindset is shifting towards the inevitable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Unionists still trying to convince themselves they are in the majority. That's why they are sh@t scared of democracy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 It’s true that not everyone votes along nationalist/unionist party lines. It’s kind of irrelevant when discussing mandates though. If the SNP stand on a clear pro-referendum ticket and it’s successful, that’s the position they will (or should at least) advance. If someone on benefits votes Tory because they hate foxes or whatever, they don’t get to opt out of the austerity bit that comes out of it. Likewise if enough pro-Independence voters back Labour, Lib Dems etc (lol, I know) and that kills off any prospect of Holyrood passing a referendum, tough titties. 2 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said: Anyone who thinks that a rogue MP, who I've never heard of tbh, and has been dealt with swiftly by the SNP is going to make any dent whatsoever in our glorious path to self determination...is frankly for the birds Seems like the SNP have handled it well to me. I’m sure if mud is slung near the election, they’ll point out how they’ve handled this compared to Cummings and co. A bit like the exams thing, or arguably the entire response to Coronavirus, the Scottish Government always have the UK Government to somehow make them look good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I mean they've forced this so aye they've made the absolute most of the hand dealt: I seen Jenrick getting interviewed earlier and the interviewer (ITV IIRC) smbasically said "you wont condemn Ferrier though will you, you cant because of Cummings". He fumbled some shite about it not being helpful to criticise individual cases etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Stormzy said: Ahahah calm down big man. You f**k off, I'm a nice change here you're like mould at this point. A dead club supporter backing a dead union on here isn't a "change" m8. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 We move 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 17 hours ago, BawWatchin said: A dead club supporter backing a dead union on here isn't a "change" m8. I can feel the pain through your delusion. Both are alive and thriving more so than your football club and your Indy dreams. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Stormzy said: I can feel the pain through your delusion. Both are alive and thriving more so than your football club and your Indy dreams. If you really think the Union is thriving right now you must have your head in the sand or are completely deluding yourself? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Just now, Stormzy said: I can feel the pain through your delusion. Both are alive and thriving more so than your football club and your Indy dreams. When your club wins at least one major Scottish trophy in its history, we'll talk. But we both know the British Union will be in complete tatters long before that happens. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Just now, Rodhull said: If you really think the Union is thriving right now you must have your head in the sand or are completely deluding yourself? Brush up on your reading comprehension. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 minute ago, BawWatchin said: When your club wins at least one major Scottish trophy in its history, we'll talk. But we both know the British Union will be in complete tatters long before that happens. I dont get it, was that humour or something else because it reads weird to me? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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