When will indyref2 happen?

[Bishop Briggs]

Just now, AUFC90 said:

Why ? Almost every rich European country has their monetary policy governed by the ECB. The only countries that moan about it are economic basket cases in the East and of course Spain who canny get their employment rates to an acceptable level for life or money. I never hear the likes of Belgium, Holland and the like moaning about the euro.

Try listening to the Dutch people. The PVV is leading the opinion polls for this year's general election.

In Belgium, the Flemish Nationalists, who want independence, are very powerful.

Then there is the impact of the anti-Euro AfD on this year's German elections.

 

[AUFC90]

Just now, welshbairn said:

I'd be happy with the Euro, it would smooth the way to EU membership too, and a quick route to financial stability. I remember seeing children with rags and bare feet one winter in Dublin in the mid Seventies. Everyone was emigrating if they could.

I'd be happy with the euro as well, doesn't bother me. The 70s was pretty shit for most developed countries was it not ?

[AUFC90]

Just now, Bishop Briggs said:

Try listening to the Dutch people. The PVV is leading the opinion polls for this year's general election.

In Belgium, the Flemish Nationalists, who want independence, are very powerful.

Then there is the impact of the anti-Euro AfD on this year's German elections.

 

I doubt they're motivated by currency to be honest.

[Bishop Briggs]

3 minutes ago, AUFC90 said:

I doubt they're motivated by currency to be honest.

They did not like the bailouts all. The EU is not as popular as the Eurocratic elite would have you believe - http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2016/0509/787103-european-union-vote/

"Nearly half of voters in eight big European Union countries want to be able to vote on whether to remain members of the bloc, just as Britons will in a referendum next month, according to a new opinion poll.

"45% of over 6,000 people surveyed in Belgium, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Poland, Spain and Sweden said they wanted their own vote.

"A third would opt to leave the EU if given the chance, poll firm Ipsos-MORI said."

[Pearbuyerbell]

2 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said:

They did not like the bailouts all. The EU is not as popular as the Eurocratic elite would have you believe - http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2016/0509/787103-european-union-vote/

"Nearly half of voters in eight big European Union countries want to be able to vote on whether to remain members of the bloc, just as Britons will in a referendum next month, according to a new opinion poll.

"45% of over 6,000 people surveyed in Belgium, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Poland, Spain and Sweden said they wanted their own vote.

"A third would opt to leave the EU if given the chance, poll firm Ipsos-MORI said."

FFS up your game.  

" Majority of voters want to remain in the EU, don't want a vote on it and a huge 67% believe in the EU"    

 

[Bishop Briggs]

Just now, Pearbuyerbell said:

FFS up your game.  
" Majority of voters want to remain in the EU, don't want a vote on it and a huge 67% believe in the EU"    

Britain had similar polling results until a few years ago. Try reading Norman Gladstone's "Tipping Point". The Brexit referendum was a tipping point. 

When voters have a real opportunity to change the "tyranny of the status quo", they now take it. Trump's victory is just the latest example.  This is the time for real change, much to Obama's obvious chagrin.

[AUFC90]

Just now, Bishop Briggs said:

Britain had similar polling results until a few years ago. Try reading Norman Gladstone's "Tipping Point". The Brexit referendum was a tipping point. 

When voters have a real opportunity to change the "tyranny of the status quo", they now take it. Trump's victory is just the latest example.  This is the time for real change, much to Obama's obvious chagrin.

I'd be willing to bet that Holland, Germany and Belgium wont be leaving anytime soon.

[RedRob72]

Yes but what is YOUR stance on the matter?

Admittedly sang it plenty in my younger days, Fen*an unacceptable but H*ns ok, still widely used across the media!? Couldnae give a shite tbh mate, Follow Follow

[AUFC90]

6 minutes ago, RedRob72 said:

Admittedly sang it plenty in my younger days, Fen*an unacceptable but H*ns ok, still widely used across the media!? Couldnae give a shite tbh mate, Follow Follow

H*n means Rangers fan, no more no less.....The Ibrox religion.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

13 minutes ago, RedRob72 said:

Admittedly sang it plenty in my younger days, Fen*an unacceptable but H*ns ok, still widely used across the media!? Couldnae give a shite tbh mate, Follow Follow

Interesting. So you're cool with singing about being up to your knees in the blood of a group of catholics, but got upset by my far less serious reply to McSpreader. 

One could almost think that you're a thick, hypocritical scumbag. 

[RedRob72]

H*n means Rangers fan, no more no less.....The Ibrox religion.

Aye, whatever you want pal, Follow Follow![emoji6][emoji106][emoji636]

[RedRob72]

Interesting. So you're cool with singing about being up to your knees in the blood of a group of catholics, but got upset by my far less serious reply to McSpreader. 
One could almost think that you're a thick, hypocritical scumbag. 

Please refer to my earlier post Jupe.

[WaffenThinMint]

1 hour ago, Bishop Briggs said:

Try listening to the Dutch people. The PVV is leading the opinion polls for this year's general election.

In Belgium, the Flemish Nationalists, who want independence, are very powerful.

Then there is the impact of the anti-Euro AfD on this year's German elections.

 

Yet the most recent polls have shown a dramatic rise in support for the Belgian Marxists (the PTB) - the only party standing in all Belgium & the only one promising more centralisation. From only 5% in the 2014 elections, they're now riding at 18.4%, looking set to overtake the Walloon Socialists and Liberals. It's easy to forget that the Flemish nationalist groups - like our own - have been in office regionally & now nationally: they are now the establishment they once fought against, & haven't made a very good job of it. The PTB meanwhile are led by an articulate polyglot with a modified pragmatic message a far cry from the loony left elsewhere in Europe & pushing an agenda of national unity those in Flanders & the Brussels region may decide could be their only realistic bulwark against the splitters.

The impact of the Brexit vote & the rise in support for so many differing groups across Europe taking support from previously unlikely sources (FN in France yet PTB in the French speaking part of Belgium & the barking mad Five Star in Italy) demonstrates that people are wanting to lash out against what they perceive as a society where an elite make the world a less secure place for them & their families (socially, politically & economically) & threaten them with worse if they don't agree to it. But for many, the feeling is how can matters possibly get worse - for instance, anyone else remember the days when it was mainly politicians who had the most to fear from being the direct target of terrorist attacks rather than the ordinary citizen?

Under those conditions, it's no surprise there is no one political movement predominating, but rather winner takes all for whoever can ride the populist wave in their region the best. The only political certainties there appear to be right now is uncertainly.

[NotThePars]

Probably a bit late now the discussion has moved but I faintly remember from my uni days that the Basque region has quite substantial autonomy within the EU but obvs the literature on the EU is so dry and boring I can't be bothered reliving it.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

How many seats is H_B predicting for the SNP in the next election?
Single figures again?

I prefer his Northern Rock predictions.

[Bishop Briggs]

No IndyRef2 this year - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38560646.

"Ms Sturgeon told STV News that any referendum would not been held in 2017."

[git-intae-thum]

Quite right too. Let the Brexit cluster unfold first. The more people that see what an unorganised self serving shower the Westminster lot are, the better.  

Next referendum in Scotland should allow the independence movement to position itself for stability and the pursueance of the natural order of things.

 

Don't want to be too hasty.

[AUFC90]

1 hour ago, Bishop Briggs said:

No IndyRef2 this year - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38560646.

"Ms Sturgeon told STV News that any referendum would not been held in 2017."

Wow, I and every other independence supporter is totally surprised and raging by this announcement. 

Edited January 9, 2017 by AUFC90

[Bishop Briggs]

2 minutes ago, AUFC90 said:

Wow, I and every other independence supporter is totally surprised and raging by this announcement. 

There's a lot of posters on here who want IndyRef2 asap.

Sturgeon has been very quick to threaten IndyRef if the UK leaves the Single Market in recent weeks. 

If independence is what she really wants, why wait at least a year? What's she scared of?

[AUFC90]

Just now, Bishop Briggs said:

There's a lot of posters on here who want IndyRef2 asap.

Sturgeon has been very quick to threaten IndyRef if the UK leaves the Single Market in recent weeks. 

If independence is what she really wants, why wait at least a year? What's she scared of?

Can you name at least 3 ? Pep doesn't count as he's a roaster.

Because absolutely nothing has changed, we're still in the EU, article 50 hasn't been invoked and we have absolutely no idea what Brexit will look like.But you already know this.