Enigma Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Matt Elliott 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Dalglish was undeniably world class. There is a very good argument for Souness though its not one thats beyond debate. Fletcher was very good for a while but i wouldnt have said he was ever world class as such. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbieD Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Its cyclical, in 20 years we'll have a world beater while Wales don't, thats life when you're not a major nation. We haven't had a world beater in 30 years and there doesn't look like there is one coming. Holland, Portugal, Denmark, Sweden, Uruguay, Bulgaria, Croatia, Belgium and other similar sized countries have produced at least 2 or 3 minimum world class players in that same time period. There's absolutely no way it's as simple as being cyclical. Edited September 10, 2015 by RobbieD 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 We haven't had a world beater in 30 years and there doesn't look like there is one coming. Holland, Portugal, Denmark, Sweden, Uruguay, Bulgaria, Croatia, Belgium and other similar sized countries have produced at least 2 or 3 minimum world class players in that same time period. There's absolutely no way it's as simple as being cyclical. Maybe it's like busses and we'll get 5 or 6 all at once. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Sportello Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 In what possible way are Netherlands, Portugal, Sweden and Belgium similar sized countries to Scotland? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB-Scotland Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Darren Fletcher was sensational in his prime. I remember Sir Alex Ferguson saying that the spine of the 'new' Manchester United would be him, Ronaldo and Rooney, and initially their fans couldn't understand the hype, but by about 2009 he was a massive player for them. Gordon wasn't far off him; sad the way their careers have ended up going due to injury when people were looking at them as ones to build the national team around consistently for years to come. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Darren Fletcher, he was in the top 3 defensive midfielders in the world at his peak. Your joking right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Well they didn't get to Euro 80,84 or 88. Absolutely remarkable given the amount of talent at our disposal. For qualifying for Euro 88 we finished 4th in a 5 team group, behind Belgium, Bulgaria and... Wait for it.... Group winners Southern Ireland! I think it's pretty likely Scotland will never have an impact at a major tournament again, certainly not in anyone reading this's lifetime. Therefore it's such a shame we don't have a proud history to be nostalgic about, because we really should have when you see the quality of players we had back in the day. The future looks bleak and so does the past! The European championships were harder to qualify for in the 80s than the WC though given that there were only 7 available slots to play for. I don't think it's that remarkable that we never made it to one until 1992. Maybe more so in 60s and 70s when we underachieved terribly given the talent at our disposal but not so much the 80s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitnail Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 In what possible way are Netherlands, Portugal, Sweden and Belgium similar sized countries to Scotland? Some are only twice as big? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Its cyclical, in 20 years we'll have a world beater while Wales don't, thats life when you're not a major nation. Won't they? As far as I remember, Wales have always had at least one top, top player in their side. Bale replaced Giggs who was on his way in when Hughes and Rush were getting to the tail end of their careers. Is it cyclical? Is it luck? I don't know to be honest. Even our 'world beaters' that we lost across the Irish sea have both turned out to be no great shakes in world football. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacekid84 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I think I would class it as said player could walk into any team in the world. Or at least be a contender out of 3/4 to fill his position in a best World's 11. I dunno, something like that anyway. It will be Dalglish then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Your joking right?Nope, he was comfortably top 3 in the world. World class in my book. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Won't they? As far as I remember, Wales have always had at least one top, top player in their side. Bale replaced Giggs who was on his way in when Hughes and Rush were getting to the tail end of their careers. Is it cyclical? Is it luck? I don't know to be honest. Even our 'world beaters' that we lost across the Irish sea have both turned out to be no great shakes in world football. Wales was probably the worst example possible, seeing as 90% of them are raised and trained in England 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the snudge Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 For me it's Paul Lambert. He was outstanding for Dortmund Celtic and Scotland. Played in two European finals being a winner in one and played at our last world cup. Won just about everything. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I suppose you could class Collins and Lambert in that bracket given they were playing for Monaco and Dortmund, and Lambert won the Champions League with Dortmund. Nonsense. What did Monaco do whilst Collins was with them? Lambert was so "world class" he only played with them for a season and only got a game because Paulo Sousa was injured all season. Just because you play for a good team doesn't mean you're "world class". Gary Cahill isn't world class but he plays with a world class team, Phil Jones isn't world class because he plays with Man U. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Have we genuinely ever had one? I'm not so sure 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Darren Fletcher, he was in the top 3 defensive midfielders in the world at his peak. Darren Fletcher???? get a grip. He was never even in the top 3 defensive midfielders in the English premiership ffs. -5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Have we genuinely ever had one? I guess Kenny had retired before you started supporting Sellick. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Darren Fletcher???? get a grip. He was never even in the top 3 defensive midfielders in the English premiership ffs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 You folk seriously need to get a grip! a world class player is a player who would walk into any side in the world, would be a contender for a world XI and would be revered the world over. You seriously think a couple of bog standard midfielders like Lambert and Fletcher fit that criteria??? do you think ANYONE outside of Scotland or hardcore Dortmund fans remember Lambert? You reckon ANYONE outside of Scotland (even Man U fans) will remember Darren Fletcher??? get real. Dagleish and Souness were our last 2 world class players. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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