DublinMagyar Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 savaged by a dead sheep 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 14 minutes ago, oaksoft said: You're "pretty sure"? Or do you know for a fact that such a property exists, that it costs a reasonable amount (not a mansion) and that the owners are willing to rent to a refugee family? You see, this is where the ship of ideology runs into the rock of reality and that usually ends one way. Yeah I am pretty sure that there are 5 bedroom properties for rent in Glasgow. If you want to see for yourself then have a look o rightmove or similar sites. Define "reasonable" here, what price is too high and what criteria or formula do you use to calculate this. That's the problem when your opinion runs into the rock of legality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 12 minutes ago, oaksoft said: What on earth are you wittering on about? They've been asked to live in a 3 bed house, not a crack den. It's certainly not ideal but plenty of people have to make do with situations like this. And it's only for a few years until they get to 17 or 18 and head off to uni or work. They have been asked to live in unsuitable accomodation. Professionals have assessed this and made the determination which has been confirmed to be their legal entitlement. Your argument about how long the property would be needed is based on your own middle-class prejudices. Plenty of families do not have kids that go to uni or even where they do go to uni, stay at home due to financial or social reasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 Amazing (no it's not really) that the PnB experts seem to think Housing legislation can just be ignored when an LA fancies. This (and any other) family have a legal right to the number of bedrooms stipulated as per their children's ages and capabilities. Not sure what folk dont get here. It's why the hated "bedroom tax" (now mitigated in Scotland via Discretionary Housing Payment) was dreamed up ie to "free up" larger houses due to a shortage and the law regarding suitability. When it comes to social housing the law states the minimum number of bedrooms your house must have. Not sure what folk can't grasp here. If the law didn't exist every landlord private or HA / LA would just be able to act like the slum landlords we read about all to frequently. Saying this family should just accept less rooms against the law because it was worse where they came from or because they should be thankful we are housing them at all is borderline Xenophobic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 Surely GCC should simply rent the family a private tenancy and eat the LHA shortfall through DHP? Absolutely bizarre hill for them to die on here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 £17,400 a year to rent a 5 bed flat in Glasgow. I wonder how much they spent in legal fees. 5 bed flat to rent in Millbrae Road, Glasgow G42 - Zoopla 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 £17,400 a year to rent a 5 bed flat in Glasgow. I wonder how much they spent in legal fees. 5 bed flat to rent in Millbrae Road, Glasgow G42 - Zoopla LHA would have covered almost all of that. Daft c***s [emoji23] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 Nice to see Oaksoft back on his home topic of "get the paupers tae f**k" 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 That is insane. No council should be footing a bill that size just for accommodation for a single family. That is way beyond what could be called a reasonable amount. That house is absolutely immaculate and way beyond most people's income. Nobody on benefits should be expecting a house like that. It's this sort of thing which fuels anti-immigration sentiment in the country. Be careful what you wish for folks.Anti-immigration sentiment is fuelled by fucking morons tbf. It's also fairly typical of the private rental cost for a 4/5 property according to the LHA rates. Private landlords could try not being such greedy c***s also.This isn't what most refugees would expect btw. It's a highly unusual situation which crops up once in a blue moon. The vast majority of refugees are shoved into the council's hardest to let properties. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Day of the Lords said: Anti-immigration sentiment is fuelled by fucking morons tbf. It's also fairly typical of the private rental cost for a 4/5 property according to the LHA rates. Private landlords could try not being such greedy c***s also. This isn't what most refugees would expect btw. It's a highly unusual situation which crops up once in a blue moon. The vast majority of refugees are shoved into the council's hardest to let properties. "People are going to be racist because the poor and vulnerable aren't being punished enough for being untermensch" is the kind of big-brained stuff that keeps me coming back to the Politics board. What a mind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAD Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 £1500 p/m for a 5 bed flat in Langside actually seems suspiciously cheap! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 2 hours ago, oaksoft said: Thankfully, none of the posters on here are in charge of public finances. The country would be bankrupt with their "mansions for everyone" policy. Or alternatively "decent publicly owned housing stock" policy. This hasn't arisen because of bleeding heart liberals splashing cash on an over generous benefit system. It has arisen because of economically right wing dogma against public ownership. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 2 hours ago, oaksoft said: That is insane. No council should be footing a bill that size just for accommodation for a single family. That is way beyond what could be called a reasonable amount. That house is absolutely immaculate and way beyond most people's income. Nobody on benefits should be expecting a house like that. It's this sort of thing which fuels anti-immigration sentiment in the country. Be careful what you wish for folks. Couldn't you perhaps try being a cúnt five days a week and have weekends off for a while - see how it goes? You may find your seethe levels and BP dropping. Nobody's asking you to actually meet poor people, ffs. Just let folk get on with their "virtue signalling"* when it's not affecting you personally, eh? *or "being decent human beings" as the rest of us call it. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 I'd imagine he'll be much happier when he's retired, able to pursue his interests, and has the ability to keep away from people he doesn't like. Imagine being able to do all that and still be impotently raging about everything, eh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 Mitty showing his true colours. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 9 hours ago, oaksoft said: That is insane. No council should be footing a bill that size just for accommodation for a single family. That is way beyond what could be called a reasonable amount. That house is absolutely immaculate and way beyond most people's income. Nobody on benefits should be expecting a house like that. It's this sort of thing which fuels anti-immigration sentiment in the country. Be careful what you wish for folks. Lucky then that there is no reasonable wording in the housing legislation. What fuels anti-immigration is you mentioning as if immigrants are seeking and recieving preferential treatment when this is not the case. I would bet my annual salary that you would be one of those "no dhss" landlords. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 22 minutes ago, oaksoft said: I would hope that you could afford to lose that salary because you'd certainly do so. On principle I wouldn't be a landlord at all under any circumstances. I think it's completely immoral. I see housing as a scarce resource and it's not acceptable for people to own more than they need. Allowing people to do so, especially Buy To Let is the root cause of our housing problem. Unfortunately it's not solvable because politicians from every single party are balls deep in these types of investments. Instead of assuming my view on things, why not just ask? No idea what your anti-immigration point is. That isn't even a structured sentence. It seems that like Whitey, you just want to rant. In his case, everyone who disagrees with him is a c**t. In your case, you just go off on incoherent rants. No fucking wonder this thread is an echo chamber. On the positive side, this discussion is clearly annoying just the right type of people so it's not all bad news. There are obviously two types getting annoyed here. There are those that think immigrants should not be entitled to appropriate accommodation as it may cost too much. Then there are those that are annoyed that people are not receiving appropriate housing because the council are acting Billy big baws. You can choose your side on this obviously but I am happy with my own position. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapy FFC Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 49 minutes ago, oaksoft said: I see housing as a scarce resource and it's not acceptable for people to own more than they need. Allowing people to do so, especially Buy To Let is the root cause of our housing problem. Unfortunately it's not solvable because politicians from every single party are balls deep in these types of investments. Instead of assuming my view on things, why not just ask? The root cause of our housing problem is the scandalous Right to Buy policy of previous conservative govts, and their complete hatred of council owned housing stock. That's what caused the Buy to Let problem, people buying cheap council houses then selling them on for a quick profit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Astonishing how somebody can use terms like 'echo chamber' and 'virtue signalling' regularly without any apparent understanding of what they mean. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 That is insane. No council should be footing a bill that size just for accommodation for a single family. That is way beyond what could be called a reasonable amount. That house is absolutely immaculate and way beyond most people's income. Nobody on benefits should be expecting a house like that. It's this sort of thing which fuels anti-immigration sentiment in the country. Be careful what you wish for folks.It's the market rate so can't possibly be way beyond what is reasonable. All housing rates are evaluated on a monthly basis by a "rent officer" body and a value for each house size set as the going rate. It's known as BRMA and is based on the market rate, it's what LHA rates are based on. Whether you find the current market rate in the rental sector reasonable is irrelevant, it's the law and it seems you are struggling to grasp the law and how it works in this sector yet you see yourself qualified enough to pass sweeping comment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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