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[Bairnardo]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60941902

[GNU_Linux]

Viktor Orbán wins 4th term as prime minister

Viktor Orbán has won a fourth successive term as Hungary’s prime minister, capping a campaign dominated by his controversial stance on Russia’s invasion of Ukraine with a speech that appeared to mock Volodymyr Zelenskiy, the Ukrainian leader.

Ecstatic chants of “Viktor, Viktor” greeted Orbán as he addressed supporters of his Fidesz party outside its election headquarters on the banks of the Danube in Budapest as results made the scale of his victory apparent.

With nearly 86% of the vote counted on Sunday night, Fidesz was on course to increase its parliamentary majority by winning 135 seats in the 199-member parliament, crushing a six-party opposition bloc that united to form a common front aimed at unseating Orbán.

Instead, the ruling party has retained its two-thirds super majority, which has enabled it to reshape Hungarian politics and social policy during its 12 years in power.

The popular vote margin was 53.7% for Fidesz to 34.4% for the United for Hungary opposition grouping, fronted by Péter Márki-Zay, who conceded defeat on Sunday night.

“The entire world can see that our brand of Christian democratic, conservative, patriotic politics has won,” a smiling, swaggering Orbán – with members of his cabinet behind him – told the crowd, standing in frigid temperatures. “We are sending Europe a message that this is not the past – this is the future.”

Orbán also made reference to criticism directed at him by Zelenskiy, who has repeatedly challenged the Hungarian leader over a perceived lack of support and an unwillingness to condemn his close ally Vladimir Putin in person for the invasion of Ukraine.

“This victory is one to remember, maybe even for the rest of our lives, because we had the biggest [range of opponents to] overpower. The left at home, the international left, the bureaucrats in Brussels, the money of the Soros empire, the international media and even the Ukrainian president in the end,” he said to laughter from the crowd.

Conceding defeat, Márki-Zay said he was “devastated” and attributed its scale to Fidesz’s gerrymandering methods and other changes to the voting system while in office.

“I don’t want to hide my disappointment and my sadness. We never expected this to be the result,” he said.

“We knew beforehand that this was going to be an imbalanced fight. Yes, they’ve cheated too. But we’ve also said that since there is no democracy in Hungary and they’ve changed the whole system, the districts.”

Orbán’s party has strengthened its hold on office through a favourable media ownership structure and changes to the voting system that critics say renders elections unfair.

Márki-Zay, a 49-year-old economist, has complained bitterly that he was given only five minutes of airtime on public TV to state his case.

The opposition has also complained that Fidesz has a huge advantage in election spending and communication. It said it had about 2,000 election advertising billboards throughout the country to 20,000 for the governing party.

Akos Hadhazy, an opposition MP, said: “Orbán can get any of his lies to Hungarian people. Even if we hire the best communication experts, the government will always win these races because they can get their messages to much more people than we can.”

 

Even before polls closed, opponents called attention to possible voter fraud – the possibility of which prompted the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) to dispatch a 200-strong team of election observers.

The OSCE’s office for democratic institutions and human rights has criticised what it said was blatant gerrymandering in several constituencies. Analysts predicted that gerrymandering would mean United for Hungary needed to win about 5% more of the popular vote than Fidesz to stand a chance of gaining a parliamentary majority.

The Clean Vote Coalition – a grouping of four Hungarian NGOs – said it had received numerous complaints of irregularities. They included electors being offered 10,000 Hungarian forints (£23) for their vote and, in another location, meat being on offer as an inducement. There were also reports of illegal bussing of voters.

Fears of fraud had been fuelled before polling day after a large number of election ballots – most of them said to be for opposition candidates – were reportedly found partly burned in a sack at a landfill site last week in the Romanian region of Transylvania, where many ethnic Hungarians have dual citizenship and voting rights.

Fidesz’s victory came after high voter turnout – a factor experts assessed would help the governing party – despite frigid temperatures and wintery weather.

Orbán’s fourth term, which will become his fifth overall, may also pose a possible conundrum for Nato and the EU amid mounting concerns over Hungary’s attitude to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and whether it is a reliable alliance partner.

Although Orbán has so far not attempted to block sanctions and military responses to the attack, he signalled an unwillingness to contemplate measures that would cut supplies of Russian oil and gas.

He has also refused to allow the supply of weapons to Ukraine or permit military aid to pass through Hungarian territory, angering Nato allies and Zelenskiy, who has branded him Putin’s sole European supporter.

Orbán, who has forged a close relationship with the Russian leader and met him 12 times, retooled his election campaign after the outbreak of war on 24 February to position Fidesz as the “peace” party, vowing to stay out of a conflict that he insisted had nothing to do with Hungary.

He said reducing energy dependency on Russia – which provides an estimated 90% of its gas and 65% of its oil – would wreck Hungary’s economy.

At the same time, he cast Márki-Zay’s opposition bloc, which has called for closer cooperation with the EU and Nato, as “warmongers” who strove to send weapons and Hungarian troops to Ukraine.

There has been speculation that Orbán – who has consistently forged bonds with Russia and China, cast the EU as an enemy, and styled himself in recent years as “illiberal” leader – would pivot to a more pro-western stance after securing his re-election.

However, Daniel Hegedus, a Hungarian analyst with the German Marshall Fund, played down such expectations.

“There may be some realignment towards the west, but in general what he is seeking is a return to business as usual with Russia – both in terms of energy cooperation and economic cooperation,” he said.

Orbán’s stance on the war has left Hungary increasingly isolated among its western allies but has proved popular among voters, especially those in rural areas.

[welshbairn]

5 minutes ago, GNU_Linux said:

Viktor Orbán wins 4th term as prime minister
 

 

It certainly cheered them up in Moscow.

[GNU_Linux]

Disappointed the Hungarian Two Tailed Dog Party failed to win a seat. Calling United For Hungary a broad coalition would be an understatement as at one end you have the Hungarian Socialist Party & at the other Jobbik.

[Detournement]

A BBC reporter today said on air that Melenchon will tell his supporters to vote for Le Pen in the second round. 

Obviously they miss telling daily lies about Corbyn so they are projecting that onto JLM. 

[welshbairn]

17 hours ago, Detournement said:

A BBC reporter today said on air that Melenchon will tell his supporters to vote for Le Pen in the second round. 

Obviously they miss telling daily lies about Corbyn so they are projecting that onto JLM. 

What channel, and roughly what time?

[Detournement]

2 hours ago, welshbairn said:

What channel, and roughly what time?

The news channel between 2 and half 2. It was on in a Spoons with subtitles. 

 

[welshbairn]

8 minutes ago, Detournement said:

The news channel between 2 and half 2. It was on in a Spoons with subtitles. 

 

Given that there's no mention of it anywhere else I expect they garbled the subtitles.

[doulikefish]

Is it going to the usual French election coverage  from our media ? Le pen Le pen Le pen and then gets roundly thrashed in the run off as per usual? 

[Bully Wee Villa]

That seems the most likely. Thought it may be, depressingly, closer than previous years.

[Detournement]

55 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Given that there's no mention of it anywhere else I expect they garbled the subtitles.

I think it's more likely that the journalist misinterpreted Melenchon not endorsing either candidate in the run off the last time as supporting Le Pen. 

[doulikefish]

2 hours ago, Bully Wee Villa said:

That seems the most likely. Thought it may be, depressingly, closer than previous years.

Yeah she has dailed back the rhetoric and leaving the eu is also out to try and win some more middle ground voters  which is why the far right have all fallen out 

[Granny Danger]

The SG need to introduce buffer zones as a matter of priority to stop harassment by these nut jobs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61111211

 

[euan2020]

On 30/03/2022 at 15:20, coprolite said:

Pretty sure it's income tax the recipients pay after 75, not iht. 

And utd are dundee's wee team

can avoid the Income tax by inheritance into a pension - or if pension was under a QROPS but that is off at another tangent  

[Duries Air Freshener]

On 10/04/2022 at 15:35, doulikefish said:

Is it going to the usual French election coverage  from our media ? Le pen Le pen Le pen and then gets roundly thrashed in the run off as per usual? 

Aye, Macron will thrash her.  Opinion polls always overstate her popularity.  It'll be closer this time, but there'll still be a big gap.

55/45 IMO.

[welshbairn]

On 11/04/2022 at 14:47, Duries Air Freshener said:

The youth over there appear to be gravitating toward common sense, whereas over here we still have an obsession with talking up and obsessing over perceived racism.

it’ll change here eventually though.  Gen Z gives me hope.

 

On 16/04/2022 at 22:37, Duries Air Freshener said:

Aye, Macron will thrash her.  Opinion polls always overstate her popularity.  It'll be closer this time, but there'll still be a big gap.

55/45 IMO.

[Duries Air Freshener]

8 hours ago, welshbairn said:

 

You're not doing very well Bairnypops, are you?

Edited April 18, 2022 by Duries Air Freshener

[Granny Danger]

I occasionally check the Herald and Scotsman online.  What absolute rags they are.

[Donathan]

Ed Balls strongly considering running for Labour at the Wakefield by-election. It’s right next door to his former seat Morley and Outwood and also border his wife Yvette Cooper’s seat 

[BFTD]

Only a week 'til Ed Balls Day too.