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3 hours ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:

That's Todd officially left us and Aitken confirming in the local paper he's joining yourselves.

Really can't see him being much more than a bench warmer.

Fowler had Todd in training at qos when he was manager.

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2 hours ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

Had a dream the other night that I was watching Morton at Love Street. We were 3-0 up at half time but I got woken up before the 2nd half kicked off and was fucking raging about it.

But that was a good ground.

Whenever I get those I end up playing in the game and scoring. Always seems odd that at no time do you think to yourself "why am I in the team?".

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Always have the fear when we sign unknown foreign players. Yes most people will point to Isma but he was one in a million. Nearly every single one has been a complete flop in my time watching Saints. Would rather take the punt than sign the Scottish dross that is available.

No pressure on Pal though, hope he does the business and doesn't turn out to be dug food.

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Thommogod in the Herald today.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/15021442.Steven_Thompson__Cost_cutting_has_led_St_Mirren_to_the_precipice___they_need_to_invest_now_or_face_the_consequences/

AS a supporter, ex-player and former captain, it is beyond alarming to see the mess St Mirren have got themselves into. Less than four years since we won the League Cup, they are now in real danger of falling into the third tier for the first time in the club’s history. What happens next in that scenario is almost too terrifying to contemplate.

It has been one setback after another since that day at Hampden in March 2013. The club’s profile back then had never been higher. They had their first major trophy in the cabinet since 1987 and looked fairly comfortable as an established top-division side. We had a strong squad and it was all looking good. But how quickly it has turned.

A number of poor decisions have been made in that time by a number of different people and they have all contributed to St Mirren now sitting rock bottom of the Championship. But perhaps the most significant act was to appoint Tommy Craig as Danny Lennon’s successor back in the summer of 2014. That started the avalanche that followed and the club has never really recovered.

Tommy had been Danny’s assistant and was a terrific coach – especially of younger players – but he wasn’t cut out to be a manager. To say I was shocked when they appointed him would be an understatement. It wasn’t a role that played to his strengths. He wasn’t a brilliant man-manager and some of his ideas were fairly old school, and it was apparent fairly quickly that this wasn’t going to work out. It was no surprise when he was sacked before the year was out.

Appointing him looked like a cost-cutting exercise by the old board. The club had been on the market for a while and they were desperate to sell but couldn’t find the right buyer. By their own admission the desire to keep running the club had left them. The flame had gone out. Tommy was already on the books and, by appointing Gary Teale and Jim Goodwin as his assistants, it looked like a cheap option. The club needed fresh ideas but this was a very unadventurous appointment.

Tommy was gone by December and the feeling was the board would then turn to an experienced manager to get us out of trouble as we were struggling towards the bottom end of the Premiership. Instead they waited more than a month before giving it to Tealey and David Longwell, the head of youth, until the end of that season. To make Gary’s job even harder they also sold our best player, Kenny McLean, on the final day of the January window. Gary did his best and what happened wasn’t his fault as he was put in an impossible position. By the springtime we began to realise that we would be going down. Again cost-cutting was at the heart of it.

Ian Murray came in next, and then Alex Rae, and now it is Jack Ross in charge. With all that upheaval, it is probably not a surprise that the team has struggled for consistency, especially when every manager wants to bring in his own players. There has been no continuity for two and a half years now.

The quality of the recruitment hasn’t been brilliant either, another sign of the financial downsizing at the club. If you look at the team we put out against Hearts in the cup final and then look at the calibre of some of those who arrived in the windows after that then the difference in quality has been night and day.

The old board finally sold up last summer, handing the club over to Gordon Scott and the fans. No offence to any of those involved, but I’m not one of the people who would have backed it. People compare it to Hearts and Ann Budge but Hearts are a much bigger club and have a much wider support base. We took 16,000 fans to the cup final and yet only 1300 signed up to buy the club. I don’t think it’s what St Mirren need right now.

What Scott must do, however, is back his manager in this transfer window because if he doesn’t the consequences could be catastrophic. Rory Loy has come in on loan which is a decent signing but they need several more because if they don’t strengthen significantly this month then they will pay the price for many years to come.

I can’t even begin to imagine what might happen if St Mirren are relegated again. You wonder whether full-time football would still be sustainable and how long it might take for them to come back up again. This is not a drill. This is as grim a time as I can remember in all my years as a fan and a player. The club needs an entire change of mentality from top to bottom, supporters included, with everyone pulling in the same direction. That would at least be a start. It is time for action now as time is fast running out.

Pretty much says what we already know. The players pretty much chucked it as soon as Tommy Craig was announced as manager.

Only thing I disagree with is the fan ownership point, we didn't really have any other option.

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What other option did we have other than fan ownership. Kind of pissed me off with that comment.
 


Seems to have spent too much time with Chick Young on the beeb, he's against it too.

It's the same model as Hearts (roughly) but on a smaller scale, so it doesn't matter how many fans Hearts have they could have 50,000 paying into it but as long as we have enough fans paying into it then it will work for us. We aren't aiming to be the 2nd/3rd/4th team in Scotland, Well Tony Fitz is :D.

If he is comparing GS with Ann Budge then fair enough but she is a good leader who has an experienced Scottish Football man dealing with the football side of things, we have Tony F who seems to be on his own planet (but loves the club dearly).
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27 minutes ago, sergie's no1 fan said:

 


Hmm he'll be shite then emoji23.png.

I hope it's David Clarkson.

If it's like for like (dunno enough about Todd, attacking midfielder?) maybe someone like Callum Gallagher?

 

*Polite applause*

Quite pleased with that on paper

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5 minutes ago, Sonsteam of 08 said:

*Polite applause*

Quite pleased with that on paper

I think that's decent business for Dumbarton. Got injured v Raith and couldn't get back into our team. 

I don't think we saw the best of him however, most fans around me thought he was 'shite' and a 'wage thief' and you get the picture. Certainly he wasn't exactly a great right winger or good enough up top for us. 

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4 minutes ago, flyingscot said:

I think that's decent business for Dumbarton. Got injured v Raith and couldn't get back into our team. 

I don't think we saw the best of him however, most fans around me thought he was 'shite' and a 'wage thief' and you get the picture. Certainly he wasn't exactly a great right winger or good enough up top for us. 

Aye, I think a lot of players seem to struggle at St Mirren and, to be quite honest, it doesn't seem like a great place to be playing just now. Hopefully with a wee bit less pressure we can see him thrive. 

Todd has been right-wing for us for much of the season, and it doesn't really suit him. He's got the workrate and effort, but rarely beats a man and seems to panic in front of goal.

Still this seems (on paper at least) to be a decent swap deal for both clubs.

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1 minute ago, McG said:

Good news Gallacher is away, his 2nd touch was always a tackle, headless chicken.

Agreed,  yet strangely,  he wouldn't have been my first choice of the dead wood to punt. 

There's at least 3 or 4 I'd sooner have had off the bill. 

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4 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

Agreed,  yet strangely,  he wouldn't have been my first choice of the dead wood to punt. 

There's at least 3 or 4 I'd sooner have had off the bill. 

Problem is the others are too well known that no-one would take them.

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