BawWatchin Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 9 hours ago, Bishop Briggs said: Why? The UK economy is much larger than Canada which agreed CETA with the EU. The UK is a massive market, with a huge trade deficit, for the Northern European countries. Then there is access to the City of London's financial markets. The UK could f**k the EU's banking system and currency markets with some well-targeted taxes and regulations. Are you convincing anyone with your chronic “mighty empire” jive? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 the unelected Eurocrats. If the phrase “unelected European beaurocrats” isn’t used heavily when apportioning blame by the gammon brigade, I’ll be absolutely fucking stunned.Close enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Can’t imagine why the EU would be happier to compromise with Canada, a country on a different continent that hasn’t just voted to leave the EU, than with Britain, a country on the same continent that voted to leave the EU and acted the c**t about it for 3 years after. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 11 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: The EU would of course preserve the Single Market; responsibility for any impact to the Good Friday Agreement will lie solely with the initiators of Brexit. If there has to be border protections to satisfy the EU then that will be on the EU. They have a choice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 This article is over one year old but nothing it refers to has changed. It is wishful thinking to believe that there are not going to be border issues both on the island of Ireland and elsewhere in the U.K. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-44054594 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Can’t imagine why the EU would be happier to compromise with Canada, a country on a different continent that hasn’t just voted to leave the EU, than with Britain, a country on the same continent that voted to leave the EU and acted the c**t about it for 3 years after.Not to mention the mooted withholding of the 39 billion or whatever it is of the future EU budget. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 43 minutes ago, strichener said: If there has to be border protections to satisfy the EU then that will be on the EU. They have a choice. Absolute nonsense. Every member signed up to the EU including the Republic of Ireland know the rules of membership, as does the UK. The UK Government are choosing to abandon these rules and in doing so are 100% responsible for the backstop issue. You'd be hard pressed to find very many people in ROI or NI who blame the EU for this, except for the most stuanchiest "rule britannia" types. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Always worth remembering [emoji23] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 1 hour ago, BawWatchin said: Absolute nonsense. Every member signed up to the EU including the Republic of Ireland know the rules of membership, as does the UK. The UK Government are choosing to abandon these rules and in doing so are 100% responsible for the backstop issue. You'd be hard pressed to find very many people in ROI or NI who blame the EU for this, except for the most stuanchiest "rule britannia" types. No, the UK is choosing to leave the EU by the only method available, it cannot be responsible for any actions that the EU take to protect it's own constructs. To argue that the UK are responsible for all actions the EU take due to Brexit is off the scale barmy. There are always options and if the EU chooses to protect the Single Market by implementing a border in Ireland then it will not be the UK's decision nor responsibility. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 2 hours ago, strichener said: If there has to be border protections to satisfy the EU then that will be on the EU. They have a choice. Strictly they have a choice. That is whether to have a customs union or not. If they want one, it needs a border. Taking the EUs customs union as a given, there is no option but to put a border in Ireland, or across the Irish Sea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Never let facts get in the way of lying Brexiters. The UK government choose not to go the SM/CU route - what else do they fucking expect the EU to do? Protect the EU's interests or the UK's? They could have had their Brexit yonks ago if they had been even a little compromising - instead we have a Brexit to appease a tiny portion of Brexit voters and one that certainly does nothing to bring on board any Remain voters. It's one narrow view of Brexit at any cost and a big two fingers to any other alternative. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 4 hours ago, Ross. said: And what happens if the don't route everything through London? London's financial centre is fkd 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, Kuro said: London's financial centre is fkd Which means "Having access to London's financial markets" becomes far less important and not much of a negotiating tool. Though you didn't promote that particular point as being something the UK had in it's armoury... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 1 hour ago, strichener said: No, the UK is choosing to leave the EU by the only method available, it cannot be responsible for any actions that the EU take to protect it's own constructs. To argue that the UK are responsible for all actions the EU take due to Brexit is off the scale barmy. There are always options and if the EU chooses to protect the Single Market by implementing a border in Ireland then it will not be the UK's decision nor responsibility. The EU isn't taking any action. It is simply upholding it's own rules while the UK takes the action of leaving. Next you'll be blaming the Republic of Ireland for refusing to leave the EU. You have the stench of staunch all over you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blootoon87 Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Strictly they have a choice. That is whether to have a customs union or not. If they want one, it needs a border. Taking the EUs customs union as a given, there is no option but to put a border in Ireland, or across the Irish Sea.Exactly. Anyone who has payed the slightest attention knows there has to be a border between EU and non EU members. I don't understand Brexiteers who voted to stop immigration, take back control of our borders etc then say they don't want a hard border in Ireland, effectively leaving people free to cross from the EU to Britain. What exactly did they vote for then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Blootoon87 said: Exactly. Anyone who has payed the slightest attention knows there has to be a border between EU and non EU members. I don't understand Brexiteers who voted to stop immigration, take back control of our borders etc then say they don't want a hard border in Ireland, effectively leaving people free to cross from the EU to Britain. What exactly did they vote for then? Borders around them muslim countries. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: Borders around them muslim countries. I can’t wait til they find out we’re staying in the ECHR. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 35 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: The EU isn't taking any action. It is simply upholding it's own rules So it is taking action? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, strichener said: So it is taking action? No, taking action would be to change their rules. They don't need to take any action. Their rules are already set. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Just now, BawWatchin said: No, taking action would be to change their rules. They don't need to take any action. Their rules are already set. The action will be enforcement (upholding) the rules on Ireland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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