Gianfranco Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Mfc highlights only have one angle but my opinion hasn't changed from real time. It wasn't even a foul. I'd be amazed if we don't win the appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Personally I think it's a harsh red but can see why it was given. I imagine we'll appeal but I'd be surprised if the appeal was successful. One thing's for sure though, a still photograph of an incident that happens at full speed in a football match is not a good gauge of anything. Which is why the appeal panel will watch the actual incident before deciding rather than a still chosen by someone trying to make the tackle look as bad as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casagolda Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 I wouldn't have a problem with the red card if all similar tackles were punished accordingly. However when you see Kiernan getting away with a yellow last week and the Inverness boy only getting a yellow for his challenge on Lucas just after Christmas, I can see why McGhee is annoyed at the red card. That's the third red we've had in our last 5 league games when opponents have gotten away with a lesser punishment for identical fouls in those matches. As for the game itself, I thought it was turgid and difficult to watch at times but to be fair to McGhee his plan seemed to be working. First half we limited Hearts to very little, where as Moult hit the bar and Ainsworth had one cleared off the line so we were creating the better chances. Thought we were extremely comfortable until a crazy 5 minutes where we ended up a man down and then a goal down in unfortunate circumstances. A wicked deflection so soon after going down to 10 was a kick in the baws and it was always going to be difficult from there. Think 3-0 was a bit harsh on us but what can you do, Hearts had that wee bit of quality to pick us off and Goncalves, Tziolis, Struna and Choulay all look like cracking signings to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Churchill Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 McGhee needs sectioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Here's what I think - if the ref had given a yellow card, you probably wouldn't have had loads of people moaning about it not being a red. However, having seen loads of replays from loads of angles, and having seen that still shot of the lad's studs wrapped around Cowie's ankle, it's a clear red, and a decent call by Dallas. It doesn't matter whether 'he goat the ba' or came through the ball - if it's a dangerous tackle, and excessive force is used, you can't complain about being red carded. During the week on Sportsound, ex-ref Charlie Richmond was talking with Scott McDonald about his recent red card - Richmond made a statement about 'disregard the ball', and McDonald was incredulous - how can you disregard the ball, was his question. A clear example of players (and fans) not understanding the laws of the game. If it's a dangerous tackle, the ball doesn't come into it. I fully expect that a lot of people won't get this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Typical nonsense from McGhee to claim that the red card changed the game and blame the loss on that. That would maybe have been fair enough had he actually tried to win the match but yet again he set us up for damage limitation against another bang average side. It's almost as if he is trying to prove a point about how little resource he has at this tinpot outfit like Motherwell, and given his previous comments, that wouldn't surprise me. I've said it all along, McGhee should be nowhere near Fir Park in any capacity as he is no good for us. We need a manager with at least some degree of passion for the job at hand, not some egotistical nugget like this guy who, let's face it, has had one good season at any club he's been at in the last decade. Well, as good a job as he did in 2007/08 with us he cannot dine out on that forever and we as a club need to break the habit of a lifetime and look forward and not backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 A fucking photo being used to prove it was a red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepper Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 42 minutes ago, paranoid android said: Here's what I think - if the ref had given a yellow card, you probably wouldn't have had loads of people moaning about it not being a red. However, having seen loads of replays from loads of angles, and having seen that still shot of the lad's studs wrapped around Cowie's ankle, it's a clear red, and a decent call by Dallas. It doesn't matter whether 'he goat the ba' or came through the ball - if it's a dangerous tackle, and excessive force is used, you can't complain about being red carded. During the week on Sportsound, ex-ref Charlie Richmond was talking with Scott McDonald about his recent red card - Richmond made a statement about 'disregard the ball', and McDonald was incredulous - how can you disregard the ball, was his question. A clear example of players (and fans) not understanding the laws of the game. If it's a dangerous tackle, the ball doesn't come into it. I fully expect that a lot of people won't get this. Exactly! It's quite staggering just how many people involved in the game don't understand this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Excessive force? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC92 Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: A photo as proof of it being a red. A photo conclusively showing that McHugh had his studs up and made direct contact with Cowie's shin. Anyway, if that isn't enough for you, go to 2:52 in this video and set it to 0.25 speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieThomas Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 11 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: A fucking photo being used to prove it was a red. Here's another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Just now, JamieThomas said: Here's another one. Pretty damning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 You could take a freeze frame or slow down the moment of the point of contact on the majority of slide tackles ever made and it would look bad. It was never, ever a red and McGhee has every right to be furious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Its not possible to perform a slide tackle without showing studs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC92 Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Just now, Richie said: Its not possible to perform a slide tackle without showing studs. It is possible to make one without planting them in someone's shin, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 It's a contact sport, where's his foot supposed to have gone after the (fair) tackle? No intent, no malice and no excessive force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 I can just about accept that this and McDonald's tackle can be seen as reds given the outcome of the momentum involved. But I don't see that logic being applied in other games. People who say it was never a red will base their view on judgements of similar tackles which often go unpunished, that is seen to be a standard. Kiernan's momentum took him yards past Hammell, if Hammell didn't jump to protect himself his legs would have been smashed. Neither Millar not Cowie jumped to protect themselves, it that now the determining factor? How the 'victim' reacts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepper Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 1 minute ago, 1320Lichtie said: It's a contact sport, where's his foot supposed to have gone after the (fair) tackle? It's not a fair tackle if the follow through could cause injury, and that's the point that seems to be lost on most people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 It's not a fair tackle if the follow through could cause injury, and that's the point that seems to be lost on most people Every single tackle made no matter how innocuous could cause injury for fuck sake. Which is why players regularly get injured from fair tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepper Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 1 minute ago, ropy said: I can just about accept that this and McDonald's tackle can be seen as reds given the outcome of the momentum involved. But I don't see that logic being applied in other games. People who say it was never a red will base their view on judgements of similar tackles which often go unpunished, that is seen to be a standard. Kiernan's momentum took him yards past Hammell, if Hammell didn't jump to protect himself his legs would have been smashed. Neither Millar not Cowie jumped to protect themselves, it that now the determining factor? How the 'victim' reacts? The determining factor there was Gollum not consistently applying the rules, Kiernan should have walked as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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