RiG Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 I blame Sky Sports and some of the idiotic pundits on there for the increasing number of football fans who think that 'winning the ball' makes it impossible for a foul to be given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 I blame Sky Sports and some of the idiotic pundits on there for the increasing number of football fans who think that 'winning the ball' makes it impossible for a foul to be given. Difference between a foul been given and someone being sent off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: Difference between a foul been given and someone being sent off. It really, really isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 It really, really isn't. Doesn't even make sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O-Bizzle Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 1 minute ago, 1320Lichtie said: Doesn't even make sense That's because you're a thick cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 That's because you're a thick cunt. I'm not the one posting things that don't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 I'm really not sure what's causing you difficulty here TBH but it might explain your inability to understand the laws of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 I'm really not sure what's causing you difficulty here TBH but it might explain your inability to understand the laws of the game. There is a difference between giving a foul and giving someone a red card. Would you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 So basically a red card needs to take into account the angle of entry upon making the tackle, the footwear the player is wearing, whether the player can continue after, how far away the ball was, which phase the moon is in, the unladen weight of a swallow and what the ref had for tea the night before? Easy days, lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkneil Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 In my eyes, the red card has been given as McHugh could be seen as being out of control as he makes the challenge. Both feet leave the deck, it's a reckless challenge regardless if he's played the ball or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 In my eyes, the red card has been given as McHugh could be seen as being out of control as he makes the challenge. Both feet leave the deck, it's a reckless challenge regardless if he's played the ball or not. Both feet leave the deck in every slide tackle made, he's come in from an angle, Kiernans at fir park last week was much worse, straight on into the player who was standing still basically and studs up, that was a red for me yet he got a yellow??? Here he's come in from the side and kicked the ball with the side of his foot. Contact afterwards unfortunate but no malice, no intent and no excessive force, it was hardly anything to be totally honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 26 minutes ago, gkneil said: In my eyes, the red card has been given as McHugh could be seen as being out of control as he makes the challenge. Both feet leave the deck, it's a reckless challenge regardless if he's played the ball or not. A "reckless" challenge is just a caution tbf: If an offence involves contact it is penalised by a direct free kick or penalty kick. • Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or acts without precaution. No disciplinary sanction is needed • Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned • Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off http://www.fifa.com/mm/Document/FootballDevelopment/Refereeing/02/79/92/44/Laws.of.the.Game.2016.2017_Neutral.pdf Edit: with apologies to craig_killie for lifting that reference wholesale from his twitter timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 It's a red card, you can't go straight in with a tackle that anymore, from the side and yes, it's a clean tackle, but sliding in, the way he did, is always going to see a red card. That's the modern game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkneil Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: Both feet leave the deck in every slide tackle made, he's come in from an angle, Kiernans at fir park last week was much worse, straight on into the player who was standing still basically and studs up, that was a red for me yet he got a yellow??? Here he's come in from the side and kicked the ball with the side of his foot. Contact afterwards unfortunate but no malice, no intent and no excessive force, it was hardly anything to be totally honest. I don't agree that both feet leave the deck on every slide tackle. Plenty slide tackles are made where a leading foot leaves the deck but the trailing leg is bent with the knee leading. McHugh's left leg comes barreling through and ends up alongside his right just after contact. The inside of his heel clips the ball just before he crashes into Cowie. I'd say this was more a case he was fortunate to clip the ball or he'd have been clean through Cowie with no contact with the ball and we wouldn't be having this discussion. I agree that there's no malic, no intent and possibly no excessive force. But it was a reckless challenge that he made where he was out of control and it is always going to be a red card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkneil Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, capt_oats said: A "reckless" challenge is just a caution tbf: If an offence involves contact it is penalised by a direct free kick or penalty kick. • Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or acts without precaution. No disciplinary sanction is needed • Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned • Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off http://www.fifa.com/mm/Document/FootballDevelopment/Refereeing/02/79/92/44/Laws.of.the.Game.2016.2017_Neutral.pdf I read that more that the player must be cautioned as a minimum. You could say that McHugh played in a dangerous manner where he has played the ball but at risk to himself or another player. Neither player was in control of the ball at that time and an indirect free kick could be given and the offending player could be cautioned or sent off. Ive no idea if the free kick given was direct or indirect. Serious foul play can be a player lunging from behind, from the front or the side that endangers the safety of an opposing player. Whatever way you look at it, I can't see how any ref wouldn't show McHugh a red card for that challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Currahee! Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 You can argue about it until your blue in the face and you'll still get different opinions. What about Martin's yellow? Not too much is being said about that. The ref just assumed what had happened without seeing it. That in itself is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 1 hour ago, 1320Lichtie said: Difference between a foul been given and someone being sent off. Some 'well fans on this thread has said it's not even a foul! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 1 hour ago, 1320Lichtie said: There is a difference between giving a foul and giving someone a red card. Would you agree? Yes I don't think anyone is denying that. Playing the ball however is no kind of indicator as to the severity of any foul that may have taken place, it's not some kind of magic get out after committing a foul. 1 hour ago, 1320Lichtie said: Both feet leave the deck in every slide tackle made, he's come in from an angle, Kiernans at fir park last week was much worse, straight on into the player who was standing still basically and studs up, that was a red for me yet he got a yellow??? Here he's come in from the side and kicked the ball with the side of his foot. Contact afterwards unfortunate but no malice, no intent and no excessive force, it was hardly anything to be totally honest. I think you're confusing slide tackle with lunge. If both feet leave the ground for every slide tackle I'd say the player is doing it wrong. I'm sure they will do on occasion but for me a slide tackle is exactly that - a tackle made by sliding along the ground, feet off the ground as little as possible to minimise the risk of a bad tackle although this can be obviously difficult to avoid. This challenge we're all talking about straddles the line between a slide tackle and a lunge for me and lunges are inviting referees to take action and can often end in a red card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Some 'well fans on this thread has said it's not even a foul! [emoji38] Tiocfaidh ar lichtie hasn't added us to his collection of clubs as well,has he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, mjw said: Tiocfaidh ar lichtie hasn't added us to his collection of clubs as well,has he? Arbroath must take a lot of loving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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