Romeo Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Im_Rodger said: but I do support capital punishment. Yeah, we should kill murderers because killing is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 I think the reverse journey is likelier. Lots of SNP voters from Thursday (and I'm one of them) will see independence as less appealing and necessary if the Tories are seen as beatable in the UK. More of that vote will shift towards Corbyn than a Labour vote flit back, if we have another GE soon. There will still be folk who would be happy enough to see Corbyn in power, but who know it's only a matter of time until the Tories get in again. Saying that, given the success of the Tories up here, maybe we'd get the same thing happening post-independence. Maybe it's just the nature of it that no matter what the political party, everyone gets pissed off with them after a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 12 minutes ago, kevthedee said: Solid advice from Salmond thankfully his constituents listened to him and booted his arse out the door saor alba fat baws Big Labour man is Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerTon Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Petition against Tory-DUP deal gains more than 300,000 signatures in just 12 hours http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/petition-against-tory-dup-deal-10597255 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 19 minutes ago, Scary Bear said: There will still be folk who would be happy enough to see Corbyn in power, but who know it's only a matter of time until the Tories get in again. Saying that, given the success of the Tories up here, maybe we'd get the same thing happening post-independence. Maybe it's just the nature of it that no matter what the political party, everyone gets pissed off with them after a while. There would a substantial centre right vote in Scotland post independence anyway. It might even be the predominant government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Anyone think that a couple of Conservative backbenchers may threaten to go rogue on the Queen's Speech? It needs 322 votes with Sinn Fein abstaining and the speakers' neutrality. A deal with full DUP support for an agenda would put them on 327 which would mean they have made it by six votes. If the deal was for DUP to abstain (which may happen if there are concerns in Ireland and it's more palpable to do it in this way), they would retain their 317 but literally be one away from collapse (317 is a majority without DUP, Sinn Fein and Speaker). I think it's probably likely they'll get it over the line but this is a Conservative party that is tearing itself apart over Brexit and to appease one faction (i.e. market access), it looks inevitable that another will be pissed off. They are an absolute mess and you could imagine that 9 days from the Queen's Speech, there will be a lot of background plotting and people trying to stab each other in the back. It's really not inconceivable that somebody at some level will make a gamble in a power move and accidentally collapse the house of cards. I'd be advising each party to have plans to transition back to an election footing in a matter of days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Your Own Socks Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 There's only six weeks until parliament goes to recess. Two years ago, Labour were going though there replacment leader programme. In their absence the SNP positioned themselves as the "opposition" and spent as much time mocking the dishevelled Labour lot as trying to spit peas at a Tory government who focussed on hammering through a number of laws they had in abeyance when the Libs were loitering around. This time, the six weeks is going to be even more critical. One of the things that got Corbyn so close was an apparently better cohesion between the Labour Revivalists and the parliamentary Conformists. Hopefully, those who thought the New Labour model was right will now realise, in this time, that Corbyn's ideas are their best chance. Whether he can deliver on his manifesto is highly debatable but it's proven to be the better option. At the same time, the SNP have to realise that on their own they're not going to flip this sinking ship over. With the SDLP and the UUP out of it, the anti-austerity coalition couldn't be clearer. They all bang on about being the party of the people. They've got the best opportunity ever in their lifetimes to prove that. Even with the DUP (and it may yet not go that way), which is a great excuse for Remainers to disobey the Whip, a united Opposition can, with the help of a couple of dissdent Tory's (Soubray was livid with May yesterday) easily bring down this Government. I f they don't work together it'll be a miss on an Iwelumo level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Leadership contest already underway, apparently. May won't last the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Monkey Tennis said: I think the reverse journey is likelier. Lots of SNP voters from Thursday (and I'm one of them) will see independence as less appealing and necessary if the Tories are seen as beatable in the UK. More of that vote will shift towards Corbyn than a Labour vote flit back, if we have another GE soon. That is possible and is incredibly naive. In an independent Scotland we have a real possibility of a progressive, tolerant caring society that doesn't stray to far from a centre left position. Stick with the UK then there's always the likelihood that at various points in the future we will be subjected to the sort of hard right-wing policies that the vast majority of Scots have never subscribed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 That is possible and is incredibly naive. In an independent Scotland we have a real possibility of a progressive, tolerant caring society that doesn't stray to far from a centre left position. Stick with the UK then there's always the likelihood that at various points in the future we will be subjected to the sort of hard right-wing policies that the vast majority of Scots have never subscribed to. As another old fart with a long memory of what the tories did to Scotland, excellent point well made GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonD Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 53 minutes ago, Romeo said: Yeah, we should kill murderers because killing is wrong. And let's not even bother too much if we have the wrong people. Derek Bentley/Timothy Evans/Guildford Four/Birmingham Six/Barry George/etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 21 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: Leadership contest already underway, apparently. May won't last the weekend. Where are you seeing this? Who is challenging? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 36 minutes ago, harry94 said: Anyone think that a couple of Conservative backbenchers may threaten to go rogue on the Queen's Speech? It needs 322 votes with Sinn Fein abstaining and the speakers' neutrality. A deal with full DUP support for an agenda would put them on 327 which would mean they have made it by six votes. If the deal was for DUP to abstain (which may happen if there are concerns in Ireland and it's more palpable to do it in this way), they would retain their 317 but literally be one away from collapse (317 is a majority without DUP, Sinn Fein and Speaker). I think it's probably likely they'll get it over the line but this is a Conservative party that is tearing itself apart over Brexit and to appease one faction (i.e. market access), it looks inevitable that another will be pissed off. They are an absolute mess and you could imagine that 9 days from the Queen's Speech, there will be a lot of background plotting and people trying to stab each other in the back. It's really not inconceivable that somebody at some level will make a gamble in a power move and accidentally collapse the house of cards. I'd be advising each party to have plans to transition back to an election footing in a matter of days. I'm amazed at how little media coverage is being given to the possibility of Tory backbenchers rebelling. They have always managed to put the "revolting" in "revolting Tories". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Just now, harry94 said: Where are you seeing this? Who is challenging? Chap on BBC said talks were "underway" just caught it on the news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 5 live reporting that may has been given an ultimatum. Sack her two chiefs of staff or face a vote of no confidence. That's quite a ballsy move. Basically keeping her on as their bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 1 minute ago, pandarilla said: 5 live reporting that may has been given an ultimatum. Sack her two chiefs of staff or face a vote of no confidence. That's quite a ballsy move. Basically keeping her on as their bitch. Not surprising though. There was talk on 5Live yesterday that the two of them had been undermining Crosby by telling folk to head off and do other things after he had given them instructions during the campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 1 hour ago, TartanWarrior said: How did that work out piggy? 24% swing to the Tories to send the fat man out. Hilarious! Piggy? Christ on a fucking moped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Strong and stable government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 5 live reporting that may has been given an ultimatum. Sack her two chiefs of staff or face a vote of no confidence. That's quite a ballsy move. Basically keeping her on as their bitch. Usually, she'd be gone by now. The one thing you can give the Tory party credit for is that they are ruthless at dealing with leaders who don't produce results. Of course, it's all fucked over this time because Brexit negotiations are away to start. Anyway, as we've seen from her keeping every main cabinet post the same, May can't afford to piss anyone off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Details of a formal coalition now being negotiated. This government has hours not days or weeks left before it falls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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