Miguel Sanchez Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 hour ago, 1320Lichtie said: In every way, and absolutely not. It’s as clear as day what this is and there’s no winning with anybody that supports it. The same arguments and sound bites, people convincing themselves they are the good guys and the progressives when they’re living in their own wee delusional worlds SNP / Sturgeon are a total embarrassment now, coming from someone who was their biggest supporter only 3/4 years ago. This will not go down well What are your objections to the bill? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Leith Green said: That may be true, but it doesnt make her right. Agreed, 100% - predators will continue to do their awful work, but those people suggesting that this "opens the floodgates" to these guys are tinfoil hatted bampots. Its much the same as those religious nutters who didnt want "the poofs" and "the lezzers" to be allowed to marry either. But it does mean that you cannot brush people off who do not support this as bigoted or hateful people. It’s not about political parties either, I’m pretty sure I saw that 2/3rds of women SNP members (could be wrong but I think that’s correct) did not support this never mind the number of people that would object within the general population of all different types of folk. I checked this thread because it had come up in normal daily conversations I’ve had with people who would never ever discuss politics with me. It will not go down well Hopefully it is overruled Edited December 22, 2022 by 1320Lichtie -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 You actually can brush off people opposed to this as bigots, because they are. Unlucky. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 minute ago, 1320Lichtie said: But it does mean that you cannot brush people off who abject to this as bigoted or hateful people. It’s not about political parties either, I’m pretty sure I saw that 2/3rds of women SNP members (could be wrong but I think that’s correct) objected to this never mind the number of people that would object within the general population of all different types of folk. I checked this thread because it had come up in normal daily conversations I’ve had with people who would never ever discuss politics with me. Polling suggests that it ranks very low in issues for most people, the majority of whom didn't even think there was an argument about it till yon Harry Potter woman stuck her oar in. It's social media created hysteria. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: Hopefully it is overruled What do you mean by this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: Hopefully it is overruled Over ruled by whom? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, Leith Green said: Its much the same as those religious nutters who didnt want "the poofs" and "the lezzers" to be allowed to marry either. I know some Christians who were "praying" that same-sex couples wouldn't be allowed to get married. Get it right fucking up them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: What do you mean by this? 3 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: Over ruled by whom? Despite the GRR law (the existing one, and the changes debated for the last 6 years) being entirely under the remit of the Holyrood Parliament, the Scottish Secretary today said that the Tories were "considering" a S35 order. What is a S35 order, I hear you ask? It is something that the UK Govt can invoke to halt legislation, stop Royal Assent - even if the bill and law were presented and passed correctly, legally and democratically by the Scottish Parliament. If they do that, we might as well just get the kilts on and kick their fuckin heids in as there will be no more pretence that our devolved parliament actually has any power. f**k the Tories 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 19 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: But it does mean that you cannot brush people off who do not support this as bigoted or hateful people. Well, until you actually come up with some actual legit reasons as to why you are so opposed to this legislation, you will absolutely be brushed off as a hateful little bigot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 hour ago, 1320Lichtie said: And there it is…. You know it’s all a lot of bullshit deep down, but telling yourself it’s not and resorting to calling people bigots is the only argument you’ll ever see from the ‘good guys’ It would be helpful if you would elaborate a little on what, specifically, you believe is a 'lot of bullshit', otherwise it's impossible to actually discuss it with you in the even-mannered way you desire. As for your point about dismissing people as bigots - yes, there is far too much of that goes on. Even the MSP's who drove this legislation are perfectly open about the fact that they accept that many people who are voicing objections to GRC reform hold concerns that are absolutely genuinely held, but that in itself does not mean that those concerns are based upon any sort of reality or that they will actually materialise. It's telling that throughout both consultations the people who were adamant that GRC reform would lead to predators abusing it in order to gain access to victims were wholly unable to provide a single example of this occurring in any of the multitude of countries which have already liberalised the GRC process. Plenty of examples of women and children being abused by predatory men, yet not one example where this was facilitated by abuse of GRC. Then there are the people who object to this simply because they actually are bigots. They may not be the majority, or even a sizable proportion of the naysayers, but as 'Gender Critical' campaigners often say about men in general and abusers, you can't tell who are the bigots and who are the people with 'genuinely held concerns' apart, only that that they are both standing on the same side of this debate. If Westminster is daft enough to pull a Section 35 on this, then I suspect it will immediately result in a court case, one which the SG is entirely likely to win. Even if the court finds in favour of Westminster, we are looking at a little under two years before the Westminster Tories are removed from power, then GRC reform will be back on the agenda in Scotland in any case. Section 35 would be an utterly pointless piece of posturing along the lines of the disgraceful behaviour of the Scots Tories in Holyrood over the past three days, and it will not, in the long term, make any material difference in any case. GRC reform is coming whether people with genuinely held concerns and bigots alike want it or not. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I could've sworn we had a thread specifically for people to angrily announce that they aren't transphobes. Unless this is yet another issue THAT WOMAN is forcing upon the people of Scotland with no support from the electorate. Bring on democracy, I say! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 hour ago, 1320Lichtie said: It’s as clear as day what this is If that's the case you'll have no trouble saying what's so clear then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 This is terrible because it just is, and I'm totally against it for that reason 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 42 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: Over ruled by whom? Our masters? Our betters? Thefolk really in charge? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 34 minutes ago, Leith Green said: Despite the GRR law (the existing one, and the changes debated for the last 6 years) being entirely under the remit of the Holyrood Parliament, the Scottish Secretary today said that the Tories were "considering" a S35 order. What is a S35 order, I hear you ask? It is something that the UK Govt can invoke to halt legislation, stop Royal Assent - even if the bill and law were presented and passed correctly, legally and democratically by the Scottish Parliament. If they do that, we might as well just get the kilts on and kick their fuckin heids in as there will be no more pretence that our devolved parliament actually has any power. f**k the Tories Yeah I know this, I was just trying to ascertain if the poster in question was supporting this action. Opposing trans rights is one thing, supporting the undermining of a democratically elected Parliament is another. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Yeah I know this, I was just trying to ascertain if the poster in question was supporting this action. Opposing trans rights is one thing, supporting the undermining of a democratically elected Parliament is another. 100 percent would support Westminster overturning this. As for independence you can forget it, it’ll never happen in a million years thanks to the kind of thing we are talking about right now. Not a chance. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Without being a tin foil hattist, Westminster has been on a quest to remove rights for quite some time. Brexit, Rwanda and the gum bumping about withdrawing from the ECHR are all fairly ominous. The unmasking of the main transphobic group, the LGB Alliance as being at 55 Tufton Street and the lunatically outsize media coverage of the ‘trans issue’ when transgender people are such a tiny segment of the population, to me, signals that they’re being used as a canary in the coal mine. I hope @Boo Khaki is right when they reckon Westminster trying to overrule via S35 will be futile. In the meantime, well done to the MSPs kicking against the p***ks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 27 minutes ago, BFTD said: I could've sworn we had a thread specifically for people to angrily announce that they aren't transphobes. Unless this is yet another issue THAT WOMAN is forcing upon the people of Scotland with no support from the electorate. Bring on democracy, I say! To be fair to @1320Lichtie, he hasn’t denied being a transphobe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: 100 percent would support Westminster overturning this. As for independence you can forget it, it’ll never happen in a million years thanks to the kind of thing we are talking about right now. Not a chance. I appreciate you replying. At least we now know that you no more support democracy than you do trans rights. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1320 in a username is some patter for a Tory.We must assume him a Tory as all the other parties that sit voted for it (and 1 Tory) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.