Junior football, what is the future?

[Jeek]

You'd think this was a perfect scenario for small west junior teams to get a massive jump on their traditionally bigger rivals. I'm sure there's examples of this in the east, albeit with the conferences.

[Guest]

Lowland League should make clear that there will be a guaranteed destination for all West clubs who express an interest. 

 

Option 1: LL2 

Advise that this will happen at a minimum and if 1-8 clubs from the West wish to join the Pyramid they will be guaranteed entry to a 16 team Tier 6 league with the balance of 8-15 clubs drawn from the East of Scotland.

 

Option 2: LL2 East and West

If 9-16 clubs from the West wish to join the pyramid then guarantee that Tier 6 will be split into LL2 East and West even if the West League is initially undersized. 

 

Option 3: LL2 West and WOS League

If 17+ clubs from the West wish to join the pyramid then a LL2 West and a feeder WOS league at Tier 7 will be established with exact numbers in each league to be determined. 

 

If that set of proposals were put forward then it gives a viable pyramid destination for West region clubs whether it is just one club joining or if there are 30+ clubs who want to join.

Why should the LL provide west region clubs with a guarantee of 8 teams into a LL2? There are teams in the eos premier that are licensed, as well as the conferences, clubs who have committed to the pyramid in its current format. I feel these clubs should be considered first as they have bought into the concept of the pyramid.

 

LL east and LL west isn't going to happen, the LL have been pretty clear on that. I don't see how a LL 2 east and west differs from that at this stage.

 

The wosfl is the easiest route, no licence requirements to play in it and there would be interest by the sounds of it. West clubs should contact the LL or eis direct if they are interested. Waiting for the LL to chase clubs down and do the hard work for you will ultimately fail, the LL won't chase clubs on this, the clubs will have to do the leg work if they want it to happen.

 

 

[LongTimeLurker]

9 hours ago, Arthurlie1981 said:

Disappointed but not surprised by tonight’s discussions. Pretty poor from Rod Petrie just to throw his toys out of the pram and just say they are not going to be anymore PWG meetings....

Not in the least surprising that he would take that posture after Option Z was blocked given the PWG meetings were directed by the SFA board to facilitate SJFA entry and have now reached a complete impasse on doing so. He probably has better things to do with his time. After blocking Option Z, the onus is now on the LL to add extra divisions to its structure to cover the west. If all the LL did was say there should be a WoSFL with no suggestion that they would be the ones actually launching it, that's a wee bit different from what was being peddled on here in recent days. 

[ShrimpLok]

59 minutes ago, G4Mac said:

Why should the LL provide west region clubs with a guarantee of 8 teams into a LL2? There are teams in the eos premier that are licensed, as well as the conferences, clubs who have committed to the pyramid in its current format. I feel these clubs should be considered first as they have bought into the concept of the pyramid.

 

LL east and LL west isn't going to happen, the LL have been pretty clear on that. I don't see how a LL 2 east and west differs from that at this stage.

 

The wosfl is the easiest route, no licence requirements to play in it and there would be interest by the sounds of it. West clubs should contact the LL or eis direct if they are interested. Waiting for the LL to chase clubs down and do the hard work for you will ultimately fail, the LL won't chase clubs on this, the clubs will have to do the leg work if they want it to happen.

 

 

LL2 West in many respects is WOS by another name. 
 

You could imagine some of the LL clubs like BSC and Cumbernauld preferring it as giving a safety net that isn’t going to be run entirely by the WRJFA clubs. 
 

It also moves the SOS down a tier which may appeal to clubs like Dalbeattie. 

[glensmad]

4 hours ago, Black Pennel said:

In other words...more of the panty-wetting hysteria...as the other chap predicted would happen. Why don't you just wait and see what transpires ? There appears to be global, international, continental, and national problems arising at the moment but you boys & girls are squealing about non-league fitba. Get a grip.

Yet you found it interesting enough to post about it as well.

You work it out.

[Marshmallo]

26 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Not in the least surprising that he would take that posture after Option Z was blocked given the PWG meetings were directed by the SFA board to facilitate SJFA entry and have now reached a complete impasse on doing so. He probably has better things to do with his time. After blocking Option Z, the onus is now on the LL to add extra divisions to its structure to cover the west. If all the LL did was say there should be a WoSFL with no suggestion that they would be the ones actually launching it, that's a wee bit different from what was being peddled on here in recent days. 

Yeah this is all the evil LL's fault.

[AlanCamelonfan]

37 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Not in the least surprising that he would take that posture after Option Z was blocked given the PWG meetings were directed by the SFA board to facilitate SJFA entry and have now reached a complete impasse on doing so. He probably has better things to do with his time. After blocking Option Z, the onus is now on the LL to add extra divisions to its structure to cover the west. If all the LL did was say there should be a WoSFL with no suggestion that they would be the ones actually launching it, that's a wee bit different from what was being peddled on here in recent days. 

f**k up pricey it didnt happen and you were told and its sjfas fault. The demise is.coming

[FairWeatherFan]

The onus is on the clubs as it always has been.

You're in the SJFA you're not going to be in the pyramid, you're not going to access licencing and you're not going to access the u20s league.

It's up to Clydebank to follow through on their vote. Cumnock & Petershill to decide the pros and cons of licencing versus remaining junior. Girvan potentially losing their SFA membership and not being able to regain it outside the pyramid. Plus everyone else to consider their position.

WOSFL is attainable. Applying in numbers to the SoSFL and reshaping it into a west of Scotland league can be done.

 

 

[Guest]

The onus really isn't and shouldn't be.

Keep trying though, your scatter gun approach continues.....just admit your sjfa failed its members, again.

Not in the least surprising that he would take that posture after Option Z was blocked given the PWG meetings were directed by the SFA board to facilitate SJFA entry and have now reached a complete impasse on doing so. He probably has better things to do with his time. After blocking Option Z, the onus is now on the LL to add extra divisions to its structure to cover the west. If all the LL did was say there should be a WoSFL with no suggestion that they would be the ones actually launching it, that's a wee bit different from what was being peddled on here in recent days. 

[Arthurlie1981]

I didn't quite say it was a leap of faith in the east.
It is a different situation, but my point is that the clubs who did move (with Kelty leading the way) have proved that it was a good decision and the right thing to do.
There isn't a lot if time to wait for somebody else to make a move - another season of inaction will come and go quickly.
 
 

Totally agree with you.

[Robert James]

9 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

The onus is on the clubs as it always has been.

You're in the SJFA you're not going to be in the pyramid, you're not going to access licencing and you're not going to access the u20s league.

It's up to Clydebank to follow through on their vote. Cumnock & Petershill to decide the pros and cons of licencing versus remaining junior. Girvan potentially losing their SFA membership and not being able to regain it outside the pyramid. Plus everyone else to consider their position.

WOSFL is attainable. Applying in numbers to the SoSFL and reshaping it into a west of Scotland league can be done.

 

 

 

Given the SJFA's refusal to accept the West joining the pyramid en bloc (unless the East juniors  also join in tandem with them),  don't be surprised if the  current  entitlement of the three  East, North & West Region's junior champion clubs on-going participation in the Scottish Cup, becomes an agenda item to be reviewed, at the SFA's AGM this summer. 

Why should the entitlement of these 3 Non-SFA Member junior clubs, be retained  ?     

[Burnie_man]

5 hours ago, Black Pennel said:

In other words...more of the panty-wetting hysteria...as the other chap predicted would happen. Why don't you just wait and see what transpires ? There appears to be global, international, continental, and national problems arising at the moment but you boys & girls are squealing about non-league fitba. Get a grip.

Aye wait and see what happens, it's worked well so far.  Not sure what international events have to do with it, should we stop playing altogether then? Get a grip  

[Burnie_man]

1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said:

If all the LL did was say there should be a WoSFL with no suggestion that they would be the ones actually launching it, that's a wee bit different from what was being peddled on here in recent days. 

What fresh nonsense is this.

[FairWeatherFan]

2 minutes ago, Robert James said:

 

Given the SJFA's refusal to accept the West joining the pyramid en bloc (unless the East juniors  also join in tandem with them),  don't be surprised if the  current  entitlement of the three  East, North & West Region's junior champion clubs on-going participation in the Scottish Cup, becomes an agenda item to be reviewed, at the SFA's AGM this summer. 

Why should the entitlement of these 3 Non-SFA Member junior clubs, be retained  ?     

It was potentially a topic of discussion already with the reformatting of the cup.

If you're potentially adding a qualifier for a new west of Scotland league unlicensed champion, I would certainly scrap the junior league champions spots.

[Burnie_man]

6 minutes ago, Robert James said:

 

Given the SJFA's refusal to accept the West joining the pyramid en bloc (unless the East juniors  also join in tandem with them),  don't be surprised if the  current  entitlement of the three  East, North & West Region's junior champion clubs on-going participation in the Scottish Cup, becomes an agenda item to be reviewed, at the SFA's AGM this summer. 

Why should the entitlement of these 3 Non-SFA Member junior clubs, be retained  ?     

There's already a proposal being looked at for AGM that only Licenced clubs are eligible, regardless of what competition they win, that also applies to senior leagues where although an unlicenced EoS Champion couldn't be promoted to LL, they could still enter the Scottish Cup.  That would end if passed.

[Peters Wyngarde]

1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Not in the least surprising that he would take that posture after Option Z was blocked given the PWG meetings were directed by the SFA board to facilitate SJFA entry and have now reached a complete impasse on doing so. He probably has better things to do with his time. After blocking Option Z, the onus is now on the LL to add extra divisions to its structure to cover the west. If all the LL did was say there should be a WoSFL with no suggestion that they would be the ones actually launching it, that's a wee bit different from what was being peddled on here in recent days. 

Mate, the only one who has been peddling gubbins on here for weeks has been you.

You've been shown up right royally. 

[Marshmallo]

Now that LongTimeLurker and Superbigal have played their roles over the last two years, who do we think is next season's stooge?

[Peters Wyngarde]

2 hours ago, Jeek said:

You'd think this was a perfect scenario for small west junior teams to get a massive jump on their traditionally bigger rivals.

Yes.

The likes of Neilston, Carluke and Vale of Clyde should be planning to move right now, leave behind the "Big hoose must stay open" brigade from Ayrshire and get a decent placing in the pyramid.

[Burnie_man]

9 minutes ago, Peters Wyngarde said:

Yes.

The likes of Neilston, Carluke and Vale of Clyde should be planning to move right now, leave behind the "Big hoose must stay open" brigade from Ayrshire and get a decent placing in the pyramid.

Move to where though, that is the problem.   

Nothing will happen unless west clubs start making it known now that they want access to the Pyramid from next season.   TJ sat yesterday and said none of his members in the west are interested in moving to a senior league, and that it was all-in or none in as part of the SJFA.  Time to remove the SJFA from the process.

The clubs who want access need to make it known that he was incorrect.  It might not be too late for the LL/EoS to help them achieve this.   It seems Petrie has washed his hands of it.

[FairWeatherFan]

14 minutes ago, Peters Wyngarde said:

Yes.

The likes of Neilston, Carluke and Vale of Clyde should be planning to move right now, leave behind the "Big hoose must stay open" brigade from Ayrshire and get a decent placing in the pyramid.

The Vale of Clyde manager was on the last voice of the juniors podcast.

He mentioned how he wanted the Sectional League Cup looked at. Because travelling to Vale of Leven midweek once every other year was too much.