Crùbag Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 14 minutes ago, Jmothecat2 said: That's your takeaway from this? Watching the videos of anti-referendum protestors is eye opening, I know so little about Spanish politics but physically preventing people from voting, using police violence to do so, is nothing short of frightening. For those better informed than I why are they doing this? If the referendum is unconstitutional and they want to go down the road of not allowing the Catalans the chance to vote, why not ignore it, refuse to recognise it and quietly suggest to unionists that they shouldn't vote? It would be easy to dismiss a referendum which clearly isn't representative of the views and it would make the referendum a farce. Instead they've given the world a glimpse of terror and if I were a soft-no supporter in Catalonia I would be firmly pro-Indy then and there. It's absolutely fucked up. Bad enough not giving them a referendum (if they think this one is flawed, work with the Catalan government to crests one that isn't) but if they are determined not to have it why react to it like this? It's fucking mental. I like Spain and can speak their language to a fair level. I've no strong feelings either way though think that if the Catalans and Basques want a democratic referendum on independence they should get one. It's much better than the violence we saw from ETA years ago. That said, I favour devolving power as much as possible and tend to sympathise with small nations over those big, former colonial powers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: 'What do you do at work today daddy ?' 'Well son, I put on a balaclava and my protective riot gear and beat the shit out of little old ladies on their way to vote' We'd be independent with no talk of Brexit if they'd done that over here, tbf. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 33 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: No. Si. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 7 minutes ago, Ziggy said: The Guardia Civil are just gonna nick the ballot boxes before the count takes place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 460 hospitalised according to reports. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 The UK government finally gets round to commentating on the situation.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Orton Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Just now, Henderson to deliver ..... said: The UK government finally gets round to commentating on the situation.... You must have posted the wrong statement, where is the bit about how abhorrent it is to see innocent people being beaten up by Military etc 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Brutal scenes on Twitter today and Westminster is happy to sit on its hands, as is the EU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: The UK government finally gets round to commentating on the situation.... They'll be sending the deeds to Gibraltar by special delivery then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 26 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said: Utter scum Franco is alive and well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 "Violence on both sides" type post from the UK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 The UK and the EU, amongst others, both insisting on being on the wrong side of history, here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 The Spanish Government have been complete arseholes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 By closing down 319 polling stations Madrid has managed to make the results more valid, not less. Mariano Rajoy is a numpty. Pressure will be unstoppable for a full and legal referendum now. Doubt if he'll survive long anyway with this and all the corruption scandals. Before I think a majority would have voted for a devomax/federal system. Now that's probably off the table. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-r-cfc Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Catalan police and firefighters openly defying their Spanish counterparts in the streets. Spain have absolutely Hibsed this -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Rajoy is a right wing nutter and I for one am not surprised he used these tactics. The response from the UK and the EU is sickening! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG_03 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Catalan police and firefighters openly defying their Spanish counterparts in the streets. Spain have absolutely Hibsed this Have they though? It's an utter disgrace what has happened but what do they do next? The EU so far has shown them no support. Britain has come out in support of Spain.What can they do? Strike? Resort to violence? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProgressiveLiberal Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 7 hours ago, Hillonearth said: Scratch the surface and nothing's changed there really. Franco would be proud today. Why would you bring your nice dog to a riot? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Stay with us or we'll beat the shit out of you! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Big looking crowd in Madrid protesting about the Government's actions. https://twitter.com/irenebaque/status/914544114422738944 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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