welshbairn Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 13 hours ago, chomp my root said: Yeah we're getting into the "only the true Messiah denies his divinity" territory here. You've made your mind up (fair enough) and that's it. Whatever I say will be twisted to your agenda. You don't need to keep an open mind about the KKK or Britain First or even NAMBLA or whoever, have your froth about them but unless they actually do something illegal then they have just as much right to their disgusting (in my opinion) views as you to yours. Do I like it, no but the alternative is ban everything that the government doesn't like. I don't like Nazi's (lovely uniforms mind ) but just banning things you don't like but are legal is pretty Nazi like behaviour. These phuqnuggets are perfect adverts for why people shouldn't join them. You can't stop people having despicable views and opinions, you can have laws for a society and if an organisation has some pretty horrible views but keep within the law then we have to accept that. You can go online and have a greet about it and band together with others with a similar view and work yourselves up into a massive circle jerk about it. Now if that doesn't resolve the issue, I don't know what will. There's nothing like a virtual angry mob to get things sorted. I fecking hate circle jerks even if I agree with them. The mob mentality is pretty nasty either in real life or online. Anti KKK people have a right to express themselves too, you know. Why are you always bullying them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Anti KKK people have a right to express themselves too, you know. Why are you always bullying them? They're the exception to my usual tolerance and all round 'good guyness', an anti KKKer nicked my sweets when I was 6. Never got over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, chomp my root said: They're the exception to my usual tolerance and all round 'good guyness', an anti KKKer nicked my sweets when I was 6. Never got over it. The kkk took yer jelly babies away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostin' Kev Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Chomp's correct, some people need to be careful what they wish for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Skidmarks Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 So far I think I ’ve seen Chomp defending hammering kids, blacking up, sex with minors and now the Orange order. All of which used to be relatively popular but have all but died out thanks to “circle jerking”. You stick it to the “man”, Chomp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 The kkk took yer jelly babies away? Just these ones, probably: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 7 hours ago, Bobby Skidmarks said: So far I think I ’ve seen Chomp defending hammering kids, blacking up, sex with minors and now the Orange order. All of which used to be relatively popular but have all but died out thanks to “circle jerking”. You stick it to the “man”, Chomp. Wow, I sound like a despicable human being. Only that's not how it went though was it, "hammering kids", um, no, I have no problem with parents physically chastising their offspring under the current laws though. Now while I get that you're quick to run off at the mouth, if you're the same with your fists don't tar us all with the same brush. " blacking up", I've said it wasn't for me but as its still legal its one of the many distasteful things that can and do go on. "sex with minors", you'll have to fill me in on that one. "the Orange order", again, distasteful and not my bag but not illegal. The circle jerk has done a fantastic job of ridding our society of all of the above, well done, I'm glad we live in a country free from it all. Isn't it you guys that are supposed to be sticking it to the man, what we me being all 'yer da' and pro establishment etc. Apparently. Definitely putting the jerk in the circle though, well done mate. NEXT....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Skidmarks Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 16 minutes ago, chomp my root said: Wow, I sound like a despicable human being. Only that's not how it went though was it, "hammering kids", um, no, I have no problem with parents physically chastising their offspring under the current laws though. Now while I get that you're quick to run off at the mouth, if you're the same with your fists don't tar us all with the same brush. " blacking up", I've said it wasn't for me but as its still legal its one of the many distasteful things that can and do go on. "sex with minors", you'll have to fill me in on that one. "the Orange order", again, distasteful and not my bag but not illegal. The circle jerk has done a fantastic job of ridding our society of all of the above, well done, I'm glad we live in a country free from it all. Isn't it you guys that are supposed to be sticking it to the man, what we me being all 'yer da' and pro establishment etc. Apparently. Definitely putting the jerk in the circle though, well done mate. NEXT....... I certainly hit a nerve there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Bobby Skidmarks said: I certainly hit a nerve there. So the sex with minors then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Skidmarks Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, chomp my root said: So the sex with minors then ? On the "Is it Ok?" thread, I read into this as you sticking up for the underage shagging. On 23/01/2018 at 22:42, chomp my root said: There's probably guys who post on here who have pumped underagers. Just saying....... On 23/01/2018 at 22:47, Bobby Skidmarks said: One of your fellow Dundee fans for certain. On 23/01/2018 at 22:54, chomp my root said: Quite possibly but I'd be surprised if it was exclusive to fans of one club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Bobby Skidmarks said: On the "Is it Ok?" thread, I read into this as you sticking up for the underage shagging. Ah, that's me 'defending' it. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Skidmarks Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Just now, chomp my root said: Ah, that's me 'defending' it. Got it. Yep, you’re one for the watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 14 minutes ago, Bobby Skidmarks said: Yep, you’re one for the watching. The sex with minors is a push, the others it’s bang to rights. Stick to the ex-squaddies forums Chomp, with the other nutters who hate the modern world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said: The sex with minors is a push, the others it’s bang to rights. Stick to the ex-squaddies forums Chomp, with the other nutters who hate the modern world. I've no problem with the modern world, I kind of like it to be honest. There are plenty things that I've been accused of 'white knighting' that I think are pretty horrible but part of this whole modern world thing means that they can have their say, as long as they stay within the law. Just because I respect other groups rights and have no wish to be part of the jerkfest (I suspect that's my biggest crime) doesn't mean I approve, I just accept. No fun in that though, easier to pick a team and blindly go with it, slating anyone who is on a different team or even doesn't follow yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, chomp my root said: I've no problem with the modern world, I kind of like it to be honest. There are plenty things that I've been accused of 'white knighting' that I think are pretty horrible but part of this whole modern world thing means that they can have their say, as long as they stay within the law. Just because I respect other groups rights and have no wish to be part of the jerkfest (I suspect that's my biggest crime) doesn't mean I approve, I just accept. No fun in that though, easier to pick a team and blindly go with it, slating anyone who is on a different team or even doesn't follow yours. If people don’t “circlejerk” as you put it, then groups with abhorrent views (the ones you say you disagree with but accept their existence) will continue to do their thing openly and without realising that the majority of civilised society hate it/them. If there hadn’t been “circlejerks” over plenty of horrendous parts of history then nothing would’ve changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 On 2/6/2018 at 14:12, LongTimeLurker said: The UK's constitution is confused and very much fossilized from the 17th century, so the Orange Order are a sympton of something much deeper. As long as the head of state is supreme governor of the CoE the UK won't be a modern secular state no matter how much the chattering classes like to pretend that it is. England's ongoing fixation with the monarchy and the traditional kingdoms of Scotland and Ireland not being predominantly Anglican made the emergence of a modern unitary and secular British nation at ease with EU entry in a similar way to France impossible resulting in the bizarre mess we see around us in identity crisis terms in the modern day. There are no easy answers and it won't get resolved any time soon. Tom Nairn's The Enchanted Glass is a bit dated but worth a read as it's one of the best analyses available on the subject. There is a lot of sense here and I, generally, agree with you. Certainly, no one tasked with describing a constitution for modern Britain would come up with the model we have currently. The notion that we have an hereditary head of state who happens to be the titular head of the church of its largest constituent country and, possibly, titular head of of the Anglican Church in Wales, the titular head of the Church of Ireland and, I assume, the titular head of the Scottish Episcopal Church - who are an effete lot but still maintain a strong Jacobite tradition in parts - but has nothing but a token role in Scotland's National Church. To add to this, both the Church of Ireland and The Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland see themselves (like the Irish rugby team) as island-wide institutions and you have a recipe for a right royal f**k-up . I think you'll agree with me thus far. The bit I take issue with you is when you describe the UK's constitution as, "fossilized from the 17th century". My take is that the 1688 revolution was Britain's liberation in that it placed decision-making firmly with Parliament rather than the Crown. The natural conclusion of the Williamite revolution should have been secular government which all sane people would embrace. The problem, as I see it, is not the constitution keeping up with the will of the people but people not understanding the spirit of the constitution. Now if you could cure the factionalism endemic in the UK I'd applaud you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 “First they came for the socialists but I didn’t speak out because I didn’t want to circlejerk Then they came for the trade unionists but I didn’t speak out because I didn’t want to circlejerk Then they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I didn’t want to circlejerk Then they came for me and there was no one to jerk off for me” Niemöller, 1946 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Just now, Honest_Man#1 said: If people don’t “circlejerk” as you put it, then groups with abhorrent views (the ones you say you disagree with but accept their existence) will continue to do their thing openly and without realising that the majority of civilised society hate it/them. If there hadn’t been “circlejerks” over plenty of horrendous parts of history then nothing would’ve changed. Yup, people power has done a lot of good things over the years, that's not the same thing as a bunch of angry ranters on a forum high fiving that they're the 'good guys'. For clarity, a circle jerk is a bunch of people who all agree with each other backslapping and reassuring each other that they're right. That doesn't mean that they are a movement for good, just that they all agree and feed off each others idea that they're right. Its self fulfilling as everyone in the 'jerk circle' agrees, it leads to the idea that anyone outside the jerk circle is wrong/the enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 minute ago, chomp my root said: Yup, people power has done a lot of good things over the years, that's not the same thing as a bunch of angry ranters on a forum high fiving that they're the 'good guys'. For clarity, a circle jerk is a bunch of people who all agree with each other backslapping and reassuring each other that they're right. That doesn't mean that they are a movement for good, just that they all agree and feed off each others idea that they're right. Its self fulfilling as everyone in the 'jerk circle' agrees, it leads to the idea that anyone outside the jerk circle is wrong/the enemy. You're on a message board on the internet. If you don't want to see people give their views, and see others agree with said views, then maybe this isn't the place for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Randy Giles said: You're on a message board on the internet. If you don't want to see people give their views, and see others agree with said views, then maybe this isn't the place for you. Not like you to miss someone's point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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