doulikefish Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Soon 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orfc Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Sounds like a wrong un just trying to keep her seat, but... Hardly a blow for labour is it? Proves it broadening its appeal rather than trying to narrow it and so victory moves closer If the SNP stuck to that tack rather than campaigners demanding it purge itself of anyone to the right of Neil Kinnock they might not be in the shit they're in right now. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 minute ago, orfc said: Sounds like a wrong un just trying to keep her seat, but... Hardly a blow for labour is it? Proves it broadening its appeal rather than trying to narrow it and so victory moves closer If the SNP stuck to that tack rather than campaigners demanding it purge itself of anyone to the right of Neil Kinnock they might not be in the shit they're in right now. The second paragraph there is utter gibberish. I’m a former Labour voter who could be won back. Letting this hack in to the party is further evidence for me that Starmer’s Labour has no principles at all. I can accept a bit of compromise in furtherance of an agenda, but when the only principle is winning, there’s no point. Your third paragraph seems a bit strawmanny, considering that Forbes just got a senior role. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Surely you can acknowledge that Labour will have to take votes from the Tories to win an election, but also think that the line has to be drawn somewhere when there are MPs defecting: allowing Elphicke into the PLP, with her record in mind, seems like a pretty logical place, in my mind at least, for that line to be drawn. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Maverick right winger, Brexit loving, demoniser of refugees and aid groups, avid Johnson fan joins Labour to avoid Tory broken pledges. At a post-PMQs briefing, a spokesperson for Keir Starmer said that they were confident that Elphicke shared their values and that there were no skeletons in her cupboard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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orfc Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 15 minutes ago, DrewDon said: Surely you can acknowledge that Labour will have to take votes from the Tories to win an election, but also think that the line has to be drawn somewhere when there are MPs defecting: allowing Elphicke into the PLP, with her record in mind, seems like a pretty logical place, in my mind at least, for that line to be drawn. I mean she could have had a Road To Damascus type conversion starting with divorcing her sex pest hubby, No one questioned Dugdale for suddenly deciding she was now voting nationalist But yeh Occam's razor says she's saving her own skin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 2 minutes ago, orfc said: I mean she could have had a Road To Damascus type conversion starting with divorcing her sex pest hubby, No one questioned Dugdale for suddenly deciding she was now voting nationalist But yeh Occam's razor says she's saving her own skin She could have, but the evidence suggests it is at best unlikely. Dugdale's case is a bit different for a couple of reasons, I think (although I don't know who she is actually voting for now, admittedly). Firstly, she never sat as an SNP MSP. Secondly, it doesn't feel to me, constitution to one side, that there is that much separating your average SNP and Scottish Labour voter in terms of social and economic outlooks in post-devolution Scotland, although it might have changed somewhat with voter shift since the 2014 referendum. But I'm thinking of your pre-2014 'Labour at Westminster, SNP at Holyrood' voters, so that move isn't as ideologically difficult to comprehend. Surely the logical thing to do would be for Elphicke to sit as an independent for the rest of this parliament, but this move is probably to do with creating as much harm as possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 2 hours ago, doulikefish said: Welcome Comrade https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11368897/NATALIE-ELPHICKE-Left-admit-no-refugee-crisis-simply-illegal-immigration.html A real boon for the Labour Party. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Quote However, Elphicke is due to take on an unpaid role with the party working on housing policy. “We have talked about her doing a role building on her experience in housing policy,” the spokesperson said. .....and there's the grift! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 (edited) 49 minutes ago, DrewDon said: Surely you can acknowledge that Labour will have to take votes from the Tories to win an election, but also think that the line has to be drawn somewhere when there are MPs defecting: allowing Elphicke into the PLP, with her record in mind, seems like a pretty logical place, in my mind at least, for that line to be drawn. If you ranked Tory MPs liable to defect to Labour she would probably be in the bottom 10. It's quite bizarre. I guess it depends what Starmer or Elphicke does now as to whether it's good for Labour. My favourite Elphicke moment was when she unwittingly found herself protesting against the Tories after the P and O firing scandal. Edited May 8 by sparky88 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Sannox Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 32 minutes ago, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said: A real boon for the Labour Party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 hour ago, MazzyStar said: Well ,unlike George, I don’t grass on folk to intelligence agencies. How he put Paul Robeson on his infamous list was particularly egregious. He described Robeson as "very anti-white" which couldn't have been more wrong (see here, for example: https://youtu.be/B0bezsMVU7c?si=7isYSNhCq7LZ5OPl). He also put Hugh MacDiarmid on his list, I liked reading MacDiarmid's poems in high school! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 hour ago, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said: A real boon boot for the Labour Party. FTFY 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 9 hours ago, JS_FFC said: It could just be the Labour spin doctors at play here but the consensus seems to be that the lost votes over Gaza doesn’t matter because Labour has whomping majorities in the seats with big Muslim populations whereas they did better than expected in the marginal bellwether areas. FPTP for you. So true. FPTP makes it so both parties are fighting over the same small cohort of "swing voters". If you have a direction of travel in your politics, if things are on a gradual conveyor belt, that cohort moves with the direction of travel. UK has been moving rightwards since the 1980s therefore so has that swing voter cohort. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 4 hours ago, JS_FFC said: Conservative MP Natalie Elphicke crosses the floor to join Labour I'm abroad and just saw this. Fucking hell, isnt she an ex ERG loonball? What the actual f**k is Starmer thinking? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 12 minutes ago, Leith Green said: I'm abroad and just saw this. Fucking hell, isnt she an ex ERG loonball? What the actual f**k is Starmer thinking? ‘If we don’t behave like Tories, they’ll just elect Tories’ or something similar. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Confirming they are nothing but a right wing mob. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 That's the actual Steve Baker not a parody account: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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