Granny Danger Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, BucksburnDandy said: Absolutely bang on sadly. It's the only chance they have down south, which won't cut it in Scotland.I agree but the problem for Labour is that the only way for them to get into power is to follow the English and Welsh electorates away from the left into the centre ground. I fear that "UK politics" will become much like Irish politics with the choice of two right or centre right parties in order to appease the electorate down there. A terrible thought Centre ground? Thick as pigshit, forelock tugging xenophobes you mean. 1 hour ago, DrewDon said: It is difficult to gauge whether Long-Bailey or Phillips is the worst candidate at the moment. It’s not. I’m not a fan of RLB and I don’t think she’s the right person for the job, but she is a genuine committed politician and a socialist beside. Phillips is a self serving gobby vacuous bint. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: Phillips is a self serving gobby vacuous bint. Ah, that's sexist. Shame. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Tarmo Kink Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Ah, that's sexist. Shame. That’s so unlike a Labour voter... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, DrewDon said: Ah, that's sexist. Shame. If it was a man I’m sure I could find something equally apt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Ohhh[emoji23] If you wondered why Jess Phillips is coming across like a time capsule from #IndyRef in 2014, it's because the former director of Better Together is advising her. https://t.co/EymlMYLmqA— Ross Colquhoun (@rosscolquhoun) January 14, 2020 Keir Starmer's got the head of Labour First running his campaign. A ballsy move if he's trying to woo the left with his tales of working down't mill before going to uni. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 7 hours ago, doulikefish said: Jess Phillips in Glasgow today to tell us that Labour are listening and no indy ref Yass! slay, Queen 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Posters on here were warning about the awfulness of Philips and Swinson before they hit the media headlights, and I assumed it was just annoyance at their accents and mild misogyny. Been proven well wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Then there is an option of Tory and Tory Lite. Not an attractive proposition imo.The correct approach would be for Labour to feign being “Tory lite” to win over the electorate and then slowly transition back to the centre left once they’re actually in power 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Just now, MixuFixit said: That was for a long time the thing someone like Dan Hodges was recommending, but he has since gone full Tory which leads to the next issue with that. If one party is Tory lite and one party is full fat Tory, and you've got a very large number of racist voters, who are they going to choose? Tony Benn once said something along the lines of “If you offer people the choice of two Conservative parties don’t be surprised if they pick the real one”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Tarmo Kink Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 The correct approach would be for Labour to feign being “Tory lite” to win over the electorate and then slowly transition back to the centre left once they’re actually in power The reality being the Tories didn’t win entirely because they were Tory. And being Tory-lite would be a disastrous strategy for Labour. There is no quick fix for Labour and people need to accept that. It’ll take enduring the Tory rule and hoping that Boris and/or Brexit fucks up. All while building up support through a leader that isn’t a crazed anti-semite and can actually gain popularity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Sir Tarmo Kink said: The reality being the Tories didn’t win entirely because they were Tory. And being Tory-lite would be a disastrous strategy for Labour. There is no quick fix for Labour and people need to accept that. It’ll take enduring the Tory rule and hoping that Boris and/or Brexit fucks up. All while building up support through a leader that isn’t a crazed anti-semite and can actually gain popularity. Anything but Tory or Tory lite hasn't been in power since I was born Which was a fucking long time ago There is not only no easy fix, there is no fix at all other than another stab at Tory lite 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 31 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Posters on here were warning about the awfulness of Philips and Swinson before they hit the media headlights, and I assumed it was just annoyance at their accents and mild misogyny. Been proven well wrong. No Scottish leader will ever be palatable to the English electorate again 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Tarmo Kink Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Anything but Tory or Tory lite hasn't been in power since I was born Which was a fucking long time ago There is not only no easy fix, there is no fix at all other than another stab at Tory liteThere’s no point wanting Labour to go Tory lite because they’ll lose some voters, wouldn’t win because of that and wouldn’t win anyway, and it wouldn’t be Labour.Labour didn’t lose because of their ideas (Brexit aside), they lost because their last 3 leaders have been Miliband, Harperson and the anti-Semite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Won't be a Labour Government this side of 2030. Th3 present crew wanting to be leader will be long forgotten by then. Next Labour Prime Minister probably isn't yet an MP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 First term of Blair's government wasn't really Tory lite. They might have even been progressive in the second two but none of that matters because Iraq.It actually DOES matter though. It shows that sort of government can win over the UK electorate. Iraq was just a blot on the copybook. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Tarmo Kink Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Won't be a Labour Government this side of 2030. Th3 present crew wanting to be leader will be long forgotten by then. Next Labour Prime Minister probably isn't yet an MP.I pretty much agree with this unless Brexit goes disastrously wrong. Miliband and now especially Corbyn have fucked Labour completely. Bizarre that Corbyn had such a fan group. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 With Johnson in charge there's every chance that Brexit will go pear shaped. Once the jobs start to go in the labour strongholds, the tide will turn very quickly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 37 minutes ago, Donathan said: It actually DOES matter though. It shows that sort of government can win over the UK electorate. Iraq was just a blot on the copybook. A blot on the copybook. Possibly the biggest understatement I’ve seen on P&B. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 34 minutes ago, Donathan said: It actually DOES matter though. It shows that sort of government can win over the UK electorate. Iraq was just a blot on the copybook. It would have been interesting if Labour had done a Blair and said they would stick to Tory spending plans for the first Parliament. Like 40 genuine new hospitals rather than 6 refurbishments for example, and an actual 50,000 new nurses instead of trying to persuade current ones not to leave. And an end to austerity. Leaving other plans for "if the economy permits", like nationalisation etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 A blot on the copybook. Possibly the biggest understatement I’ve seen on P&B.Tony Blair was the best UK prime minister we’ve had since Harold Wilson in the 70’s. Iraq was really a very minor issue compared to Brexit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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