vikingTON Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Quote Good to see Jim still gets a reaction Well I'm sure that'll make up for all seven play offs that he's managed to spectacularly bottle throughout his shan management 'career'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, HibeeJibee said: It was reported across various news platforms in the autumn. Peterhead went on record objecting to the amount of prizemoney and travel grants being paid to foreign teams. E.g. this report in Aberdeenshire Evening Express which cites between £91,000 and £99,000 as having been paid out upto R3:https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/sport/football/scottish-football/fears-as-irn-bru-cash-fizzles-out-of-scotland/ It would end-up substantially more as Connahs Quay went another 3 rounds and Bohemians another round, and Connahs Quay played another 2 away ties. You would admittedly have to deduct whatever is received from S4C for televising Welsh clubs. 41 minutes ago, peternapper said: Thanks for digging that out Hibee Jibee hopefully it clears up that loads of cash is being handed out to non Scottish sides. The only thing I have against the Colt teams is that right from the start the Challenge Cup was just being used as a tool to get entry into the league system which would have led to some teams having more than one team in the league system which would have restricted proper teams like Edinburgh or Cove earning a league place. There was all the guff about creating international players because of experience gained against part time lower league players. Colt teams have added nothing to the competition & if more teams were needed they should have come from the HFL & LL. Good to see Jim still gets a reaction from Virginton even although he was the only one to mention him. As well as the S4C deal, which is obviously a direct result of the foreign teams, you've also got to think about intangibles like the sponsors' money and the other TV deals with BBC Alba and latterly BT Sport. It's possible that those could be either less valuable or even non-existent without the inclusion of the foreign clubs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peternapper Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, craigkillie said: As well as the S4C deal, which is obviously a direct result of the foreign teams, you've also got to think about intangibles like the sponsors' money and the other TV deals with BBC Alba and latterly BT Sport. It's possible that those could be either less valuable or even non-existent without the inclusion of the foreign clubs. Don't really know the ins & outs of the tv deals but would be surprized if they amount to a vast sum. Mr Doncaster seems to continue to think he has turned what was a decent wee competition for Scottish sides that were unlikely to feature in many cup finals into a international diddy cup that many supporters have no interest in until the semi or final stage. Be interesting to see the crowds at the games featuring Premier U21 this season. Made it clear to my own club that if we end up having to play a Colt side in the next round even although my season ticket would cover it I would not be attending. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghBlue Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 If it really was for the greater good of Scottish fitba I’d be content with it. Our co-efficient for European cup games is so low we probably won’t have any teams in the Europa Cup when Europa 2 starts. But it’s just about getting young players match ready for a transfer fee. Scotland’s actually one of the last in Europe to develop this. Pep Guardiola won his first title as manager with Barcelona B in 2008, Spanish fourth tier league. Can’t see the tide turning. It’s a catch-22. Pump the wee teams and their club’s will whine this is why they need in the league. Let them win and SPFL say it’s working! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, craigkillie said: As well as the S4C deal, which is obviously a direct result of the foreign teams, you've also got to think about intangibles like the sponsors' money and the other TV deals with BBC Alba and latterly BT Sport. It's possible that those could be either less valuable or even non-existent without the inclusion of the foreign clubs. Tbf... Irn-Bru and Tunnock are clearly Scottish-centred brands. BBC Alba have shown as many all-Scottish ties as not, and upon joining BT Sport selected an all-Scottish SF last season. So potentially diminished more likely than non-existent. Question - viewed financially in last season's context - is ultimately whether diminution would be more or less than say £135-150k or whatever it would've ultimately ended-up. (Indeed more given Scottish clubs wouldn't need away travel grants either). Edited August 6, 2019 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said: Regardless of his argument, that's an irrelevant yardstick, given all those countries have had 1 club play 1 tie thusfar compared to our 10 ties thusfar. Edited August 6, 2019 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 I think the fact theres about ten games on in this competition just now, yet theres not been a single post about a single moment in any of them, says a lot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peternapper Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Think last season in the early rounds a few lower league teams showed their disregard for this by playing understrength teams against Colt sides with mixed results. There has been a poster on here in the past that knows about Dutch football where there have been B Teams involved the last time I noticed him posting that they were now realising it had been a mistake & had worked against the league set up.there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David W Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Colts Roll Call: Colin Doyle: 34 year old Ireland International Ross Draper: 30 years old, 200+ senior Scottish appearances. Alex Petkov: Playing for Hearts colts, currently on loan at Clyde Tommy Block: Playing for Hibs colts, currently on loan at Queen's Park Vykintas Slivka: 24 year old, 35 caps for Lithuania Oli Shaw: 60+ senior Scottish appearances Gregg Wylde: 150+ senior apperances Marky Munro: Playing for St Johnstone colts, currently on loan at Stenny Really find it hard to get motivated for this nonsense. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawfield shed boy Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Where are Home colts playing their games tonight Im sure Livingston played at a junior ground last season[emoji85] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) Very interesting to note the number of players the proper clubs look to have dropped from Saturday. It appears even many sides from tiers 4 & 5 have taken to resting some or most men in this:Queen's Park - 9 changes Albion Rovers - 8 changes Cove Rangers - 5 changes Elgin City - 1 changeFraserburgh - 6 changes Formartine Utd - 4 changes Brora Rangers - 3 changesEast Kilbride - 7 changes Berwick Rangers - 4 changes Kelty Hearts - 2 changes 30 minutes ago, gogsy said: East Kilbride drew with St Mirren a few weeks ago and won on penalties now they are getting beaten from St Mirren U-21s Only 4 men feature from LC groupstage tie, tbf. Edited August 6, 2019 by HibeeJibee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 32 minutes ago, David W said: Colts Roll Call: Colin Doyle: 34 year old Ireland International Ross Draper: 30 years old, 200+ senior Scottish appearances. Alex Petkov: Playing for Hearts colts, currently on loan at Clyde Tommy Block: Playing for Hibs colts, currently on loan at Queen's Park Vykintas Slivka: 24 year old, 35 caps for Lithuania Oli Shaw: 60+ senior Scottish appearances Gregg Wylde: 150+ senior apperances Marky Munro: Playing for St Johnstone colts, currently on loan at Stenny Really find it hard to get motivated for this nonsense. Marky Munro is 18 tbf. Our only senior player in the 11 is Liam Gordon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 55 minutes ago, peternapper said: he has turned what was a decent wee competition for Scottish sides that were unlikely to feature in many cup finals into a international diddy cup that many supporters have no interest in until the semi or final stage. And just as many supporters had no interest in the tournament until that stage before any changes were made at all. The rose-tinted view that you seem to have about the popular and successful Challenge Cup of old is utter nonsense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Attendance at SMP is 245. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senorsoupe Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 At least some clubs twitter accounts are getting in on the Caramel wafer jokes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Only one overage player in the squad of 18, GK Dean Lyness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aufc Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Fucking great tournament. Won me £525 tonight. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peternapper Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Just now, virginton said: And just as many supporters had no interest in the tournament until that stage before any changes were made at all. The rose-tinted view that you seem to have about the popular and successful Challenge Cup of old is utter nonsense. Have never seen for anything more than it is, a competition for lower league clubs with an outside chance of picking up a cup for one. You can see by the number of changes some teams have made tonight how it ranks with league clubs at this stage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 43 minutes ago, David W said: Colts Roll Call: Colin Doyle: 34 year old Ireland International Ross Draper: 30 years old, 200+ senior Scottish appearances. Alex Petkov: Playing for Hearts colts, currently on loan at Clyde Tommy Block: Playing for Hibs colts, currently on loan at Queen's Park Vykintas Slivka: 24 year old, 35 caps for Lithuania Oli Shaw: 60+ senior Scottish appearances Gregg Wylde: 150+ senior apperances Marky Munro: Playing for St Johnstone colts, currently on loan at Stenny Really find it hard to get motivated for this nonsense. That's 4 players over the age of 21 across 10 Premiership teams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 minute ago, craigkillie said: That's 4 players over the age of 21 across 10 Premiership teams. Liam Gordon for us too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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