scottsdad Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, Detournement said: What conspiracy theory? This one. 33 minutes ago, Detournement said: That's why there is so much interest in burying this as it sets a bad precedent where powerful people within the UK state might actually be held accountable for their actions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, scottsdad said: This one. There has clearly been an concerted effort from the Speaker, the media and MPs from both parties to prevent Starmer being asked the question most people would consider the natural one. "Well if it wasn't your fault Saville wasn't prosecuted who's fault was it?" Or "What was your exact involvement in the case?" Or "Why did the CPS destroy records relating to Saville when they were legally required to retain them?" Starmer can't answer those questions and won't be asked them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 The problem with BoJo throwing our comments that either create or elude to conspiracy theories is that once it is out of the bag it grows arms and legs. Even if there was a credible connection to something, it very quickly becomes something completely different. You just need to look at Q Anon in the US and how taken in people were with what started out as a character in a virtual world that crossed over into what believed in reality. Once the evidence is provided to debunk claims, it is just passed of as part of the conspiracy. Johnson knew what he was doing, maybe not the following events, but he knew well fine what was bring created. Whether Starmer went out a side door, front door or wherever is itrelivent. The people who believe these kind of conspiracies are small minded individuals who either cannot accept the reality of their (usually) unspectacular mundane lives and want to blame others OR manipulative individuals who don't believe themselves, but can see a gain or value in making others believe. Ask yourself this, given starmer has been in position for 2 years or so, why would Johnson choose now to raise it if it was a genuine concern? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Detournement said: There has clearly been an concerted effort from the Speaker, the media and MPs from both parties to prevent Starmer being asked the question most people would consider the natural one. "Well if it wasn't your fault Saville wasn't prosecuted who's fault was it?" Or "What was your exact involvement in the case?" Or "Why did the CPS destroy records relating to Saville when they were legally required to retain them?" Starmer can't answer those questions and won't be asked them. It's all been answered many times, it's just nut jobs who hear soundbites that cannot be bothered finding the answers who are asking them. You could ask the questions of anyone. See: Johnson is PM, so how did he allow David Amess to be murdered? What was Johnsons exact involvement in the case? Where is all the records that showed Johnson was in contact with the killer? See, ultimately the same sphere of questions you asked. One based on fact, one purely speculative and vague and one based on no facts whatsoever other than what someone says on-line (me in this case). Edited February 9, 2022 by Theyellowbox 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Theyellowbox said: It's all been answered many times, it's just nut jobs who hear soundbites that cannot be bothered finding the answers who are asking them. You could ask the questions of anyone. See: Johnson is PM, so how did he allow David Amess to be murdered? What was Johnsons exact involvement in the case? Where is all the records that showed Johnson was in contact with the killer? See, ultimately the same sphere of questions you asked. One based on fact, one purely speculative and vague and one based on no facts whatsoever other than what someone says on-line (me in this case). What are you talking about? Absolute jibberish. That idiotic analogy is nothing like Starmer as DPP overseeing a knighted celebrity friend of the royal family who was a prolific paedophile not being charged despite multiple credible allegations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 On 08/02/2022 at 10:22, Soapy FFC said: Is this another thing that is being resurrected to draw attention away from Johnson and get the govt back on track with core Tory voters? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-60293057 As has probably been said in the past, what could possibly go wrong with requiring people to provide credit card, passport or or any other form of ID to access certain websites? This is 100% shite thought up by some politico to appeal to a certain group of voters, likely in the full knowledge that it's completely unmanageable. I'm sure Brazzers will be quaking in their boots about scary old Britain coming over to the Canary Islands, or wherever their servers are located, to take 10% of their annual profits 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Twitter will also be included since they allow nudes and scud. This was supposed to happen in spring 2019 but got dropped a few weeks before it was meant to go live. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Detournement said: Twitter will also be included since they allow nudes and scud. P & B will also need to be included because of NSFW. As a proof of age, I would suggest asking questions about the Scottish Cup Final about 18 years ago, what teams were playing, who was in goal. That sort of thing. Less complicated than any credit card stuff. IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 5 hours ago, Theyellowbox said: It's all been answered many times, it's just nut jobs who hear soundbites that cannot be bothered finding the answers who are asking them. You could ask the questions of anyone. See: Johnson is PM, so how did he allow David Amess to be murdered? What was Johnsons exact involvement in the case? Where is all the records that showed Johnson was in contact with the killer? See, ultimately the same sphere of questions you asked. One based on fact, one purely speculative and vague and one based on no facts whatsoever other than what someone says on-line (me in this case). I like this game Despite rumours over the years about him why did the Conservative Party see fit to have Saville awarded a knighthood? Did Prince Andrew, an alleged nonce, really prevent his mother from vetoing the knighthood? (Of course not but it's fun to frame the question like this) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Twitter will also be included since they allow nudes and scud. This was supposed to happen in spring 2019 but got dropped a few weeks before it was meant to go live. Reddit as well 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 I like this game Despite rumours over the years about him why did the Conservative Party see fit to have Saville awarded a knighthood? Did Prince Andrew, an alleged nonce, really prevent his mother from vetoing the knighthood? (Of course not but it's fun to frame the question like this)An alleged Nonce?A certain Nonce.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 4 hours ago, Detournement said: What are you talking about? Absolute jibberish. That idiotic analogy is nothing like Starmer as DPP overseeing a knighted celebrity friend of the royal family who was a prolific paedophile not being charged despite multiple credible allegations. And by your reasoning, everyone in such a position since the 60's is culpable including all PM's, BBC executives. Even the mayors of London, where some of the crimes committed would be culpable. Who attempted 4 times to get him knighted? The reality is that there was long term and systemic failures to bring him to justice over 50 years. Given Starmers position has been known for many years and I suspect you have never raised it as an issue before, you are one of those small minded pawns who jump on the latest conspiracy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Liz Truss baited into being an absolute moron to the surprise of *checks notes* absolutely no-one by saying that the UK would never recognise Russion sovereignity over two oblasts that are actually in Russia. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gaz said: Liz Truss baited into being an absolute moron to the surprise of *checks notes* absolutely no-one by saying that the UK would never recognise Russion sovereignity over two oblasts that are actually in Russia. She really is spectacularly thick. On another note, some far right Tories are now saying Cressida Dick should be given more time to sort out the obscenity that is the Met Police. Would it be stating the bleedin' obvious to suggest that a cosy little cartel is now in place in which Boris and the Dick woman have pledged to do whatever they can to save each other's job? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 15 minutes ago, Gaz said: Liz Truss baited into being an absolute moron to the surprise of *checks notes* absolutely no-one by saying that the UK would never recognise Russion sovereignity over two oblasts that are actually in Russia. Have you got a link to this? Can't find anything.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 John Major putting a boot into Boris now... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Have you got a link to this? Can't find anything.. It's almost as if Lavrov has been Foreign Minister for 20 odd years and Truss has been in the job 5 minutes and has the intellectual capacity of a yum-yum. Mortifying. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapy FFC Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: It's almost as if Lavrov has been Foreign Minister for 20 odd years and Truss has been in the job 5 minutes and has the intellectual capacity of a yum-yum. Mortifying. Say what you want about the Russians, no matter how much you hate or distrust them, they are masters at political manipulation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: It's almost as if Lavrov has been Foreign Minister for 20 odd years and Truss has been in the job 5 minutes and has the intellectual capacity of a yum-yum. Mortifying. Cheers, just found it. Don't understand they keep appointing morons as Foreign Secretary, Johnson was a disaster too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Cannot believe the Russians are treating our next Prime Minister so badly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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