G51 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, scottsdad said: If it was a case that the vaccines were a drug, like ibuprofen, we would be. But as they're biological agents rather than chemicals, there are fewer people capable of making them, the testing and quality control is through the roof, and the supplies of raw materials limited. So the question becomes why didn't we see this coming? AFAIK, Sanofi has one of the largest manufacturing bases for vaccines in Europe. Their one didn't work. They've since offered one of their manufacturing bases in Frankfurt to make the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. What are the other Sanofi sites doing at the moment? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Caledonian1 said: The spat with the EU seems to be getting far more prominance over what appears to be the main reason for under-supply for a month long period - production of the AZ vaccine in India ...India's large role in Oxford-AZ production has been ignored by the UK media for months now. Probably because it undermined the jingoistic narrative preferred by Boris and co. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmadrid Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 After Tuesday I thought this thread may run out of news, this will certainly bring things back to life for a few weeks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 19 hours ago, ICTChris said: I had never heard of Fallin until it was mentioned in this thread so I googled it and found this article. https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12314314.the-polmaise-malaise/ Dregs, scum, bigots, racists, homophobes, almost without exception. Sounds it. I take it that's sarcasm? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Jacksgranda said: I take it that's sarcasm? He did not elaborate whether Scum was a singular person or perhaps the plural and a few more 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_dog Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, ICTChris said: Has testing in schools been ramped up now that more pupils are going back? The testing done in schools is with the 30min lateral flow tests and these are not included in the daily figures. Although, if someone tests positive from one of these, they will then have to get a PCR test to confirm. Not sure we'll get any figures from the amount of these twice-weekly tests they're doing though. Edited March 18, 2021 by s_dog 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 49 minutes ago, Steven W said: https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-people-with-headache-for-more-than-four-days-after-oxford-astrazeneca-jab-should-seek-medical-attention-says-uk-regulator-12249755 Doesn't sound good Anybody having a headache for 4 days, with or without having had an injection, should seek medical advice, imo. 46 minutes ago, WATTOO said: A typical "nothing to see here" story once you actually read it. Correct 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 The testing done in schools is with the 30min lateral flow tests and these are not included in the daily figures. Although, if someone tests positive from one of these, they will then have to get a PCR test to confirm. Not sure we'll get any figures from the amount of these twice-weekly tests they're doing though.The false positive rates of the lateral flow tests and the frequency with which school staff and students are taking them means that there probably are a lot of extra follow-up PCR tests being done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 New routes, that's not supposed to happen according to Glasgow Airport gadgie. Edinburgh Airport @EDI_Airport @easyJet has announced a new route to Bournemouth beginning 27 May. Flights to the popular seaside town will operate up to twice a week on Thursdays and Sundays during the summer! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roman_bairn Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 A typical "nothing to see here" story once you actually read it.Actually, I’m a little concerned that the UK are sweeping this ‘blood clots around the brain’ issue under the carpet. When virtually the whole of Europe suspends AZ in the current climate you need to be a little concerned. Do we really think every leader in Europe that takes this decision isn’t aware of the damage it could do to the vaccination programme?Interesting in seeing this headache advice. Is suggests we are not quite as certain as we are making out that this is not an AZ related issue.Appreciate that it’s damaging to stop now and I’m not suggesting we do, nor that we create unnecessary alarm that means that a lot of people won’t take up the vaccination, but it would be nice if we didn’t keep sending out conflicting messages and told people the facts.... -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, roman_bairn said: Actually, I’m a little concerned that the UK are sweeping this ‘blood clots around the brain’ issue under the carpet. When virtually the whole of Europe suspends AZ in the current climate you need to be a little concerned. Do we really think every leader in Europe that takes this decision isn’t aware of the damage it could do to the vaccination programme? Interesting in seeing this headache advice. Is suggests we are not quite as certain as we are making out that this is not an AZ related issue. Appreciate that it’s damaging to stop now and I’m not suggesting we do, nor that we create unnecessary alarm that means that a lot of people won’t take up the vaccination, but it would be nice if we didn’t keep sending out conflicting messages and told people the facts.... There is a 1 in a million chance of developing a clot per the data. It's a complete non-issue. If you've not been vaccinated and you get covid there is a 1 in 100 chance you'll die. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Researchers Warn Of New Giant Covid-19 Variant Large Enough To Swallow Grown Man Whole 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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8MileBU Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Text received today that I’ve to go get my first jab of the vaccine a week on Saturday. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roman_bairn Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: There is a 1 in a million chance of developing a clot per the data. It's a complete non-issue. If you've not been vaccinated and you get covid there is a 1 in 100 chance you'll die. You are basing your information on short term effects data and I am well aware of the statistics. All I keep seeing is the same misinformation in the media re numbers of blood clots per million and how it’s below the normal threshold. That is not the reason why countries have suspended it and blindly ignoring 10s of other countries and saying we are right and they are all wrong isn’t exactly reassuring to many of us due to get the vaccination in the next few days..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holiday Song Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, G51 said: You have to wonder how much longer the position of "We have to protect pharma companies IP rights and prevent other factories from making vaccines" is sustainable. Vaccine manufacturing is a low-efficiency, high-volume thing. Some factories are about 40 - 50% efficient. Why the f**k aren't we building factories as fast as humanly possible right now? Have been wondering this too but held off asking as thought it might be an idiotic question...! Is it the facilities, expertise, raw materials or something else that is a limiting factor here? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roman_bairn Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, HibsFan said: This is not a change of position from the EMA. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) If the rate these blood clots were allegedly happening at was no greater than in the population as a whole, I'm still a bit unsure as to why investigation was necessary. If the risk was elevated, fair enough as we now have a large enough sample size of vaccinated people that this would become apparent. But there was no link to start with. Edited March 18, 2021 by Michael W 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Actually, I’m a little concerned that the UK are sweeping this ‘blood clots around the brain’ issue under the carpet. When virtually the whole of Europe suspends AZ in the current climate you need to be a little concerned. Do we really think every leader in Europe that takes this decision isn’t aware of the damage it could do to the vaccination programme?Interesting in seeing this headache advice. Is suggests we are not quite as certain as we are making out that this is not an AZ related issue.Appreciate that it’s damaging to stop now and I’m not suggesting we do, nor that we create unnecessary alarm that means that a lot of people won’t take up the vaccination, but it would be nice if we didn’t keep sending out conflicting messages and told people the facts.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roman_bairn Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 It’s always good to know that a single poster’s view on Twitter trumps the majority of the EU. Ta...... -8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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