Incels, and their insane world view.

[A Diamond For Me]

More importantly, did BFTD ever get that bin back from his work, or is he still a bincel?

[effeffsee_the2nd]

I'll have a wee go at explaining the thinking behind these guys;

When I was a teenager I couldn't buy a bird, I was extremely self conscious, was very low in confidence, I had a decent amount of mate's but was always the butt of the joke amongst them, It didn't help that I was also fat, didn't look, dress or carry myself in any decent way shape or form  To add to all of that, it was extremely frustrating and demoralizing  watching others go on and be successful when you yourself were stuck in a rut, also, the longer it went on the harder it was to escape.   

I did eventually turn it around for myself just by pure perseverance. 

However, I'm glad this happened before the current boom in all of this content that we are seeing in the last few years because I, like pretty much everyone else in that position, would have loved nothing more than to hear some respectable sounding figure say, and I'm paraphrasing here, "its not your fault, they are all ganging up on you"  " women are all just shallow bitched etc etc" 

 

you often hear these arseholes come away with pure fabrications such as their go to " 80% of women are only interested in the top 20% of men" if that was true then there would be way way more single men of all ages and you probably would never have been born, but yet these wee VL's buy it up for some reason.  the number one reason you can't get a burd is down to you. all of this shite we are seeing online these days is just denial manifesting itself

[BFTD]

54 minutes ago, A Diamond For Me said:

More importantly, did BFTD ever get that bin back from his work, or is he still a bincel?

'fraid not. To make matters worse, they shut down a while back and my former boss had been eyeing it up, so I'm pretty sure I know what happened to it.

Shh, don't tell Shandon Par.

[Thistle_do_nicely]

6 hours ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

I'll have a wee go at explaining the thinking behind these guys;

When I was a teenager I couldn't buy a bird, I was extremely self conscious, was very low in confidence, I had a decent amount of mate's but was always the butt of the joke amongst them, It didn't help that I was also fat, didn't look, dress or carry myself in any decent way shape or form  To add to all of that, it was extremely frustrating and demoralizing  watching others go on and be successful when you yourself were stuck in a rut, also, the longer it went on the harder it was to escape.   

I did eventually turn it around for myself just by pure perseverance. 

However, I'm glad this happened before the current boom in all of this content that we are seeing in the last few years because I, like pretty much everyone else in that position, would have loved nothing more than to hear some respectable sounding figure say, and I'm paraphrasing here, "its not your fault, they are all ganging up on you"  " women are all just shallow bitched etc etc" 

 

you often hear these arseholes come away with pure fabrications such as their go to " 80% of women are only interested in the top 20% of men" if that was true then there would be way way more single men of all ages and you probably would never have been born, but yet these wee VL's buy it up for some reason.  the number one reason you can't get a burd is down to you. all of this shite we are seeing online these days is just denial manifesting itself

 

All fair points and well done avoiding the traps set by the alt right.

Regarding the 80 - 20 thing - amusingly ive wondered about this. I'm average to mediocre all round but through the years the most blatant interest anyone ever shown in me was from a couple of Lithuanian women i worked with - no, not in a sauna, get your mind out the gutter - that were also really rather attractive (one *maybe* fancied me but I was never fully certain, but she asked me out for drinks one time; another girl 100% did and legit asked me at my desk if I was single a couple of times )

I wondered about why that was, because it stuck out that both were from the same part of the world and im usually oblivious; the theory i came up with was that im generally laid back and polite, and my features arent particularly harsh, more of a pretty(ish) boy in my younger days than hard nosed thug tbh. Best way I can think to sum it up is that you'd put more money on me being the one getting battered in a relationship than the other way round, with good reason as im soft as shite, and at the risk of stereotyping i wonder if eastern european women are more keen on picking a partner that hasnt been brutally conditioned from their environment or something. That and they were maybe more forward/less coy, like because of the language differences they maybe felt they have to communicate attraction a lot more directly?

Bit seedy to think that combatting right wing rhetoric against immigration/in favour of hard borders ("99% OF ALL IMMIGRANTS ARE ADULT MALE BARBARIANS" etc.) might be to sell a narrative that enouraging immigration overall of all kinds, and families of all ages (male immigrants have female friends/relatives in their circle too ultimately) could actually help them get their hole, but hey ho. The right don't exactly play very nice.

Edited August 19 by Thistle_do_nicely

[BFTD]

9 hours ago, Thistle_do_nicely said:

All fair points and well done avoiding the traps set by the alt right.

Regarding the 80 - 20 thing - amusingly ive wondered about this. I'm average to mediocre all round but through the years the most blatant interest anyone ever shown in me was from a couple of Lithuanian women i worked with - no, not in a sauna, get your mind out the gutter - that were also really rather attractive (one *maybe* fancied me but I was never fully certain, but she asked me out for drinks one time; another girl 100% did and legit asked me at my desk if I was single a couple of times )

I wondered about why that was, because it stuck out that both were from the same part of the world and im usually oblivious; the theory i came up with was that im generally laid back and polite, and my features arent particularly harsh, more of a pretty(ish) boy in my younger days than hard nosed thug tbh. Best way I can think to sum it up is that you'd put more money on me being the one getting battered in a relationship than the other way round, with good reason as im soft as shite, and at the risk of stereotyping i wonder if eastern european women are more keen on picking a partner that hasnt been brutally conditioned from their environment or something. That and they were maybe more forward/less coy, like because of the language differences they maybe felt they have to communicate attraction a lot more directly?

Bit seedy to think that combatting right wing rhetoric against immigration/in favour of hard borders ("99% OF ALL IMMIGRANTS ARE ADULT MALE BARBARIANS" etc.) might be to sell a narrative that enouraging immigration overall of all kinds, and families of all ages (male immigrants have female friends/relatives in their circle too ultimately) could actually help them get their hole, but hey ho. The right don't exactly play very nice.

Being a foreigner seems a great way to gain romantic interest. The excitement of something new and exotic, I guess. As a much younger man, I got direct offers in America like I've never had in the UK.

Unfortunately, the incel community seem to have already decided that foreign women are better - they're got plenty of vile views on Eastern European and Asian women knowing their place as servants to men. A pretty horrible example of this was the abundance of adverts offering marriage to desperate Ukrainian refugees within weeks of the current Russian invasion.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

5 hours ago, BFTD said:

Being a foreigner seems a great way to gain romantic interest. The excitement of something new and exotic, I guess. As a much younger man, I got direct offers in America like I've never had in the UK.

Unfortunately, the incel community seem to have already decided that foreign women are better - they're got plenty of vile views on Eastern European and Asian women knowing their place as servants to men. A pretty horrible example of this was the abundance of adverts offering marriage to desperate Ukrainian refugees within weeks of the current Russian invasion.

Yeah f**k knows with that one either, I'm not aware of any culture, except maybe the middle east, where married women are expected to simply submit to their husband.  Those overweight guys in their 50s with young Thai and Filipino women, it's hardly true love, they are taking a chance to escape poverty. everyone knows that unless they are in denial.

[Granny Danger]

I used to have some business dealings with a couple of brothers who were plumbers (fortunately limited and brief dealings).

They were both married but were both going through marital difficulties.

I recall being present at a conversation they were talking with each other about ‘acquiring’ Filipino brides.  Both the subject matter and the casual demeanour of the conversation was as creepy as f**k.

[CarrbridgeSaintee]

21 hours ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

I'll have a wee go at explaining the thinking behind these guys;

When I was a teenager I couldn't buy a bird, I was extremely self conscious, was very low in confidence, I had a decent amount of mate's but was always the butt of the joke amongst them, It didn't help that I was also fat, didn't look, dress or carry myself in any decent way shape or form  To add to all of that, it was extremely frustrating and demoralizing  watching others go on and be successful when you yourself were stuck in a rut, also, the longer it went on the harder it was to escape.   

I did eventually turn it around for myself just by pure perseverance. 

However, I'm glad this happened before the current boom in all of this content that we are seeing in the last few years because I, like pretty much everyone else in that position, would have loved nothing more than to hear some respectable sounding figure say, and I'm paraphrasing here, "its not your fault, they are all ganging up on you"  " women are all just shallow bitched etc etc" 

 

you often hear these arseholes come away with pure fabrications such as their go to " 80% of women are only interested in the top 20% of men" if that was true then there would be way way more single men of all ages and you probably would never have been born, but yet these wee VL's buy it up for some reason.  the number one reason you can't get a burd is down to you. all of this shite we are seeing online these days is just denial manifesting itself

Good points, this MGTOW stuff is very damaging and shouldn’t be listened to.

Good women are out there, but you’ll only find them if you try.

Incels can make themselves physically, emotionally and socially attractive to women in all sorts of ways, but it means putting in effort and not checking out of the system entirely.

[Soapy FFC]

3 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

I used to have some business dealings with a couple of brothers who were plumbers (fortunately limited and brief dealings).

 

Mario and Luigi?

[effeffsee_the2nd]

8 minutes ago, CarrbridgeSaintee said:

Good points, this MGTOW stuff is very damaging and shouldn’t be listened to.

Good women are out there, but you’ll only find them if you try.

Incels can make themselves physically, emotionally and socially attractive to women in all sorts of ways, but it means putting in effort and not checking out of the system entirely.

f**k me I had to google that there!   it should be called "its no fair am no playin" 

[A Diamond For Me]

If these guys spent less time marinading in their own nonsense on the internet (rich coming from me) and took a walk down the high street, they'd see any number of average-looking/ overweight/ kinda weird/ whatever dudes getting the messages or going to the cinema or doing other everyday things with their wife or partner.  Those wives seldom look like supermodels, because very few people do, but being average-looking/ overweight/ kinda weird/ whatever is not a lifelong sentence to loneliness.  Most people manage to find someone, and that's probably easier to do if you don't think that you're entitled to one who looks and behaves like your favourite porn actress and that if you can't get her you're as well just posting about unfair it all is all day. 

[Sergeant Wilson]

I'm glad these issues don't affect me.

[Venti]

1 hour ago, Soapy FFC said:

Mario and Luigi?

Princess Peach getting dumped for a Filipino.

[Girth]

These incels need to get laid but there's zero chance of that due to their repugnant views and warped perception of the world. 

Andrew 'Potato' Tate should take one (many) for the team. 

Thank you. 

[TxRover]

23 hours ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

I'll have a wee go at explaining the thinking behind these guys;

When I was a teenager I couldn't buy a bird, I was extremely self conscious, was very low in confidence, I had a decent amount of mate's but was always the butt of the joke amongst them, It didn't help that I was also fat, didn't look, dress or carry myself in any decent way shape or form  To add to all of that, it was extremely frustrating and demoralizing  watching others go on and be successful when you yourself were stuck in a rut, also, the longer it went on the harder it was to escape.   

I did eventually turn it around for myself just by pure perseverance. 

However, I'm glad this happened before the current boom in all of this content that we are seeing in the last few years because I, like pretty much everyone else in that position, would have loved nothing more than to hear some respectable sounding figure say, and I'm paraphrasing here, "its not your fault, they are all ganging up on you"  " women are all just shallow bitched etc etc" 

 

you often hear these arseholes come away with pure fabrications such as their go to " 80% of women are only interested in the top 20% of men" if that was true then there would be way way more single men of all ages and you probably would never have been born, but yet these wee VL's buy it up for some reason.  the number one reason you can't get a burd is down to you. all of this shite we are seeing online these days is just denial manifesting itself

You’re on it there. I was in the similar boat, and being the youngest in the group all the time didn’t help. But a female friend helped, and that’s one of the things these crackpots lack. They’ve been seemingly conditioned to act in a way that ensure they won’t have any female friends simply because they’d likely try to rape them when they were vulnerable…and that’s a vibe that women DO seem to pickup on.

Having a quite attractive young lady friend (literally) explain some things to me changed my viewpoint and resulted in a fair bit of success in interactions with the ladies, both social and otherwise. It’s really amazing how far a little interest and listening will get you, even when you’re more Fat Bas***d than Tom Cruise.

17 hours ago, Thistle_do_nicely said:

Regarding the 80 - 20 thing - amusingly ive wondered about this. I'm average to mediocre all round but through the years the most blatant interest anyone ever shown in me was from a couple of Lithuanian women i worked with - no, not in a sauna, get your mind out the gutter - that were also really rather attractive (one *maybe* fancied me but I was never fully certain, but she asked me out for drinks one time; another girl 100% did and legit asked me at my desk if I was single a couple of times )

I agree, and think it’s all crap. I happened to run into a real stunner in a local I frequented and she later came back a couple of weeks later specifically looking for me, the guy that instead of trying to hit on her, was willing to chat a wee bit and not try to pry out a number or expect her to be some specific way. Turned out she was turned off by the aggressive types due to some issues, and really appreciated the more laidback, friendly guys. I suspect a lot of women are that way, as I’ve run into quite a few like that. They tend to make good pals and often can turn you onto a friend or vice versa…I also think that’s part of the mental behavior of these incels, they see the nice guys getting in on stuff and don’t realize why.

[Melanius Mullarkey]

2 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

I'm glad these issues don't affect me.

Surely at your age, plumbing issues are your biggest worry.

Edited August 20 by Melanius Mullarkey

[Florentine_Pogen]

5 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

I'm glad these issues don't affect me.

Sarge Won't Insel.

[BFTD]

5 hours ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

f**k me I had to google that there!   it should be called "its no fair am no playin" 

You'll occasionally see some of these guys claiming to have "switched sides" because of all the mean wimmin who are nasty to them. Same with lassies who'll claim they're only in a relationship with a woman because men are awful/dangerous/awful dangerous.

I presume there has to be a bit of denial going on there, but imagine being in a relationship with someone who admits this. Everybody deserves better than that.

[johnnydun]

I think a lot to do with it is confidence. If you project confidence and feel confident, it makes a person much more attractive. The confidence shown doesn't have to be an arrogance, which comes across in a 'bad boy' image. A person can be confident in themselves and a nice person, which is where I think these Incel types fail so badly.

[Boo Khaki]

13 minutes ago, BFTD said:

You'll occasionally see some of these guys claiming to have "switched sides" because of all the mean wimmin who are nasty to them. Same with lassies who'll claim they're only in a relationship with a woman because men are awful/dangerous/awful dangerous.

I presume there has to be a bit of denial going on there, but imagine being in a relationship with someone who admits this. Everybody deserves better than that.

Femcels

Some of them call themselves "political lesbians", which always puzzles me because I always thought the prime requisite to be a lesbian was to actually be gay and exclusively sexually attracted to women.

Also a fact that the founder of the entire Incel movement was a woman.