Russian invasion of Ukraine

[LongTimeLurker]

57 minutes ago, Hedgecutter said:

One of the chilling things I see from these news reports is the way the locals seem to talk about these attrocities (in front of corpses) with little emotion in their expressions / voices...

Worth bearing in mind everything that happened in Ukraine in the 20th century. 

[BFTD]

5 minutes ago, Lurkst said:

War games have come a long way since Wolfenstein. 

I believe some of the more recent Wolfenstein games have given glimpses of the miserable conditions endured by people too.

Probably not the one that had the protagonists miming blowjobs on the loading screens.

[ICTChris]

Thread on forces available to Russia at this stage of the war.

 

[dirty dingus]

14 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

Thread on forces available to Russia at this stage of the war.

 

This down below it seems quite worrying.

 

@SamRamani2

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BREAKING: Poland's Deputy Prime Minister Jaroslav Kaczynski expresses openness to deploying U.S. nuclear weapons on Polish soil

[Theroadlesstravelled]

 

[Bert Raccoon]

29 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

 

Think I've just been a bit sick in my mouth 

[The DA]

29 minutes ago, Bert Raccoon said:

Think I've just been a bit sick in my mouth 

Lucky you.

I've just spewed my guts up.

[jagfox]

 

 

[Clown Job]

So many pictures and videos coming out showing dead civilians

Its awful.

sanctioned these c***s into the next century please 

[TetexGH]

Its end of world, if cern is not weapon they got enuff nukes. Mon the Shire

[jagfox]

What should Russia do with Ukraine?   https://ria.ru/20220403/ukraina-1781469605.html

[Granny Danger]

1 hour ago, TetexGH said:

Its end of world, if cern is not weapon they got enuff nukes. Mon the Shire

Can I redirect you to the Covid thread…

[welshbairn]

46 minutes ago, jagfox said:

What should Russia do with Ukraine?   https://ria.ru/20220403/ukraina-1781469605.html

RIA are absolutely raging that Sputnik leaked their victory story before it didn't happen. The worrying thing is that they think that story you linked to will be well received by ordinary Russians. I don't think it would be cowardly or a betrayal to offer Russia an exit strategy if they've gone that far off the scale mental. 

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Petr Akopov

A new world is being born before our eyes. Russia’s military operation in Ukraine has ushered in a new era – and in three dimensions at once. And of course, in the fourth, internal Russian. Here begins a new period both in ideology and in the very model of our socio-economic system – but this is worth talking about separately a little later.
Russia is restoring its unity – the tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe in our history, its unnatural dislocation, has been overcome. Yes, at a great cost, yes, through the tragic events of a virtual civil war, because now brothers, separated by belonging to the Russian and Ukrainian armies, are still shooting at each other, but there will be no more Ukraine as anti-Russia. Russia is restoring its historical fullness, gathering the Russian world, the Russian people together – in its entirety of Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians. If we had abandoned this, if we had allowed the temporary division to take hold for centuries, then we would not only betray the memory of our ancestors, but would also be cursed by our descendants for allowing the disintegration of the Russian land.
Vladimir Putin has assumed, without a drop of exaggeration, a historic responsibility by deciding not to leave the solution of the Ukrainian question to future generations. After all, the need to solve it would always remain the main problem for Russia – for two key reasons. And the issue of national security, that is, the creation of anti-Russia from Ukraine and an outpost for the West to put pressure on us, is only the second most important among them.
The first would always be the complex of a divided people, the complex of national humiliation – when the Russian house first lost part of its foundation (Kiev), and then was forced to come to terms with the existence of two states, not one, but two peoples. That is, either to abandon their history, agreeing with the insane versions that “only Ukraine is the real Russia,” or to gnash one’s teeth helplessly, remembering the ti-mes when “we lost Ukra-ine.” Returning Ukraine, that is, turning it back to Russia, would be more and more difficult with every decade – recoding, de-Rus-sification of Russians and inciting Ukrainian Little Russians against Russians would gain momentum. Now this problem is gone – Ukraine has returned to Russia.
This does not mean that its statehood will be liquidated, but it will be reorganized, re-established and returned to its natural state of part of the Russian world. In what borders, in what form will the alliance with Russia be fixed (through the CSTO and the Eurasian Union or the Union State of Russia and Belarus)? This will be decided after the end is put in the history of Ukraine as anti-Russia. In any case, the period of the split of the Russian people is coming to an end.
And here begins the second dimension of the coming new era – it concerns Russia’s relations with the West. Not even Russia, but the Russian world, that is, three states, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, acting in geopolitical terms as a single whole.
These relations have entered a new stage – the West sees the return of Russia to its historical borders in Europe. And he is loudly indignant at this, although in the depths of his soul he must admit to himself that it could not be otherwise.
Did someone in the old European capitals, in Paris and Berlin, seriously believe that Moscow would give up Kiev ? That the Russians will forever be a divided people? And at the same time when Europe is uniting, when the German and French elites are trying to seize control of Eur-opean integration from the Anglo-Saxons and assemble a united Europe? Forg-etting that the unification of Europe became possible only thanks to the unificati-on of Germany, which happened according to the good Russian (albeit not very smart) will. To swipe after that also on Russian lands is not even the height of ingratitude, but of ge-opolitical stupidity. The W-est as a whole, and even m-ore so Europe in particular, did not have the strength to keep Ukraine in its sphere of influence, and even more so to take Ukraine for itself. In order not to understand this, one had to be just geopolitical fools.
More precisely, there was only one option: to bet on the further collapse of Russia, that is, the Russian Federation. But the fact that it did not work should have been clear twenty years ago. And already fifteen years ago, after Putin’s Munich speech, even the deaf could hear – Russia is returning.
Now the West is trying to punish Russia for the fact that it returned, for not justifying its plans to profit at its expense, for not allowing the expansion of the western space to the east. Seeking to punish us, the West thinks that relations with it are of vital importa-nce to us. But this has not been the case for a long ti-me – the world has changed, and this is well understood not only by Europeans, but also by the Anglo-Saxons who rule the West.
No amount of Western pressure on Russia will lead to anything. There will be losses from the sublimation of confrontation on both sides, but Russia is ready for them morally and geopolitically. But for the West itself, an increase in the degree of confrontation incurs huge costs – and the main ones are not at all economic.
Europe, as part of the West, wanted autonomy – the German project of European integration does not make strategic sense while maintaining the Anglo-Saxon ideological, military and geopolitical control over the Old World. Yes, and it cannot be successful, because the Anglo-Saxons need a controlled Europe.
But Europe needs autonomy for another reason as well — in case the States go into self-isolation (as a result of growing internal conflicts and contradictions) or focus on the Pacific region, where the geopolitical center of gravity is moving.
But the confrontation with Russia, into which the Anglo-Saxons are dragging Europe, deprives the Europeans of even the chance of independence – not to mention the fact that in the same way Europe is trying to impose a break with China. If now the Atlanticists are happy that the “Russian threat” will unite the Western bloc, then in Berlin and Paris they cannot fail to understand that, having lost hope for autonomy, the European project will simply collapse in the medium term.
That is why independent-minded Europeans are now completely uninterested in building a new iron curtain on their eastern borders – realizing that it will turn into a corral for Europe.
Whose century (more precisely, half a millennium) of global leadership is over in any case – but various options for its future are still possible.
Because the construction of a new world order – and this is the third dimension of current events – is accelerating, and its contours are more and more clearly visible through the spreading cover of Anglo-Saxon globalization.
A multipolar world has finally become a reality – the operation in Ukraine is not capable of rallying anyone but the West against Russia.
Because the rest of the world sees and understands perfectly well – this is a conflict between Russia and the West, this is a response to the geopolitical expansion of the Atlanticists, this is Russia’s return of its historical space and its place in the world.
China and India, Latin America and Africa, the Islamic world and Southeast Asia – no one believes that the West leads the world order, much less sets the rules of the game. Russia has not only challenged the West, it has shown that the era of Western global domination can be considered completely and finally over.
The new world will be built by all civilizations and centers of power, naturally, together with the West (united or not) – but not on its terms and not according to its rules.

https://thefrontierpost.com/the-new-world-order/

Edited April 3, 2022 by welshbairn

[welshbairn]

P.S. Found this earlier piece by the guy who wrote the victory speech, about the 2014 Donbas invasion.

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The war in the Ukraine will become long term and last at least a few more months. The United States are cajoling Kiev towards a military resolution of the conflict, while Moscow cannot leave the defenders alone. A majority of Russian public opinion is unanimous in extending greater help to the rebels – even sending in the army. However, a majority of the public also considers that it is Putin who should define the form and method of this help to Novorussia. Considering the fact that half the rebels are comprised of Russian volunteers (who are, at the same time, the most militarily capable part of the Novorussian army), and they are receiving all sorts of help, I am not at all ready to separate Novorussia from Russia: a war is being waged, a war for the Ukraine, and during that war Russia will use all means available – whether they be military, economic or diplomatic. The support for the rebels will only increase, especially after the sector sanctions imposed on Russian economy by the European Union – because Russia’s calculation that the EU would not succumb to American pressure was the main reason that Russia extended extremely careful and strictly unofficial support Donetsk and Lugansk. But now, when the conflict has become more tense between Russia and Europe and the EU’s stance agrees with the American position (which is just an attempt at isolating Russia from the West and severing the economic ties between Russia and Europe), the support and help for the DPR and LPR can have a more overt character. This does not even exclude their formal recognition this fall. However, the formation of Novorussia is just a phase in struggle for the whole of the Ukraine, which must stay a part of the Russia “oecumen” (i.e. world). When it is sufficiently strong and independent, Novorussia will become a lever, with which it will be possible to change the situation in all of the Ukraine, and stop its inclusion in the Western world.

http://geopolitikamagazin.com/index.php/en/english-home/248-eng/english-content/sample-english-subcategory/773-pyotr-akopov-russia

He goes on.

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But when we speak of the West, we should not forget the political forces that are right, conservative and Christian: the Freedom Party in Austria, the Front Nationale in France, the People’s Party in Switzerland, the Liga Nord in Italy. Such forces also exist in the United States grouped around Ron Paul and Patrick Buchanan. Do you think that Russian support and dialogue with these forces is a chance for improving relations between East and West?

The European rightists, the conservative and nationalist forces are opponents of globalization in all forms – among others the European Union, because it is just a tool in the hands of Anglo-Saxon strategists. In that sense, they can be Russia’s allies. But for there to be a complete improvement of relations with Europe, serious political and social upheavals will have to happen, concerning the crisis of the prevailing model of development (tolerance and multiculturalism), which was imposed on it. In the case of serious national discontent and the growth of support for right movements in Europe, as a consequence of the general crisis of the world model of globalization, a process of reallocation and change of the elite can happen, during which the pro-Atlantic and globalist forces will be ousted from government, or will at least be forced relinquish a part of their power. In that case, the beginning of a dialogue between Russia and Europe is quite possible, and the initiation of normal relations..

 

Edited April 3, 2022 by welshbairn

[welshbairn]

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Edited April 4, 2022 by welshbairn

[SlipperyP]

9 hours ago, BFTD said:

Very grim stuff, especially for kids, who often don't develop normally, even after it's over.

When you're eating rats while surrounded by the corpses of the community you used to live in, what else can you do to cope but shut down?

I've never experience a war zone, however, I have been with kids around the world (I do have heart), that are living in atrocious circumstances. I've stopped watching any videos posted on here or TV coverage (only read).   I have a period in my life (that most on here know about), that I shut down, was the only option. Shit like this, only brings it back. I become a wee scared boy again. Trauma is for life....away to cry. 

[Theroadlesstravelled]

Stick to being a cat m8.

[Melanius Mullarkey]

51 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

Stick to being an attention seeking c**t m8.

FTFY 

[dirty dingus]

1 hour ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

Stick to being a cat m8.

Comrade Haw Haw

[ICTChris]

George Galloway has always been like this, it’s not a new development. He’s always been an appalling person.