101 Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: Fair play to Willie Rennie, didn't think he had it in him Keep up x 2 minutes ago, BFTD said: Photo op with a massive, oversized pile of corpses? Tbf he might just be trying to find something more entertaining than watching Dunfermline. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 Just now, 101 said: Tbf he might just be trying to find something less traumatic than watching Dunfermline. FTFY 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 The Mayor posted on Facebook that March 31st was Bucha's day of liberation. He posted that on April 1st at 6:39pm local time. The implication is that it was confirmed that Bucha had been liberated the day before. The official Bucha Facebook page, used by the mayor and local authority also posted on April 1st at 10:18am that the liberation was ongoing - the post also mentions corpses in the street. Here is this post, it's a bit clunky as has been translated but gives a gist of what is being said. From this you can see that the local authorities reclaimed the town on April 1st. The first videos showing bodies in the street were posted on Telegram at 7:52pm, around one hour after the mayor posted that Bucha had been liberated and in the same day that the local authority posted that the liberation was ongoing. Subsequent videos followed that evening, local times. If you imagine retaking a city, carefully checking for enemy troops or dangerous ordanance it would take time - it seems that the killings there occurred in a couple of places. It would take a bit of time to find them or come across them. Bucha has a similar population to Stirling - if Stirling was occupied by an army and 280 people were killed, it would take a while to find them, probably longer in Bucha as it is twice the area of Stirling. There were also bodies of killed soldiers in the streets as well. So the timeline of events doesn't match that there was an unnatural gap between the liberation of the town and the discovery of the dead bodies. Of course, if they had been found immediately the Russian government and their supporters would say that was suspicious. I don't know the optimum time to discover a massacre site in a medium sized town. Nothing less than steaming straight in, throwing stones at the departing army as they leave whilst livestreaming the whole thing in case you discover something grisly that weirdos will want to see immediately shall placate the lads who know what's really going on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hillonearth Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 31 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: 2 hours ago, ICTChris said: The Mayor posted on Facebook that March 31st was Bucha's day of liberation. He posted that on April 1st at 6:39pm local time. The implication is that it was confirmed that Bucha had been liberated the day before. The official Bucha Facebook page, used by the mayor and local authority also posted on April 1st at 10:18am that the liberation was ongoing - the post also mentions corpses in the street. Here is this post, it's a bit clunky as has been translated but gives a gist of what is being said. From this you can see that the local authorities reclaimed the town on April 1st. The first videos showing bodies in the street were posted on Telegram at 7:52pm, around one hour after the mayor posted that Bucha had been liberated and in the same day that the local authority posted that the liberation was ongoing. Subsequent videos followed that evening, local times. If you imagine retaking a city, carefully checking for enemy troops or dangerous ordanance it would take time - it seems that the killings there occurred in a couple of places. It would take a bit of time to find them or come across them. Bucha has a similar population to Stirling - if Stirling was occupied by an army and 280 people were killed, it would take a while to find them, probably longer in Bucha as it is twice the area of Stirling. There were also bodies of killed soldiers in the streets as well. So the timeline of events doesn't match that there was an unnatural gap between the liberation of the town and the discovery of the dead bodies. Of course, if they had been found immediately the Russian government and their supporters would say that was suspicious. I don't know the optimum time to discover a massacre site in a medium sized town. Nothing less than steaming straight in, throwing stones at the departing army as they leave whilst livestreaming the whole thing in case you discover something grisly that weirdos will want to see immediately shall placate the lads who know what's really going on. Perhaps it's more comforting to believe that everything grim is a false flag forming part of some arcane and byzantine masterplan that it is to confront the fact that there's some right evil b*****ds out there actually doing some bad shit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 Only the Lib Dems can beat Lukashenko here! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, Michael W said: Only the Lib Dems can beat Lukashenko here! Simply the best season ticket sales in years..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, Hillonearth said: Perhaps it's more comforting to believe that everything grim is a false flag forming part of some arcane and byzantine masterplan that it is to confront the fact that there's some right evil b*****ds out there actually doing some bad shit. The only problem with that idea is that the conspiracy usually entails a different group doing even more abhorrent shit than what's happening in reality (sorry, I meant WHAT THE MSM WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE!) Folk have just discovered that, if you keep yelling nonsensical shit long enough, you'll never have to be wrong again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 What's Willie Rennie doing in Belarus?Wonder if Willie's got a big fúcking deck chair in that backpack. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 4 hours ago, ICTChris said: The Mayor posted on Facebook that March 31st was Bucha's day of liberation. He posted that on April 1st at 6:39pm local time. The implication is that it was confirmed that Bucha had been liberated the day before. The official Bucha Facebook page, used by the mayor and local authority also posted on April 1st at 10:18am that the liberation was ongoing - the post also mentions corpses in the street. Here is this post, it's a bit clunky as has been translated but gives a gist of what is being said. From this you can see that the local authorities reclaimed the town on April 1st. The first videos showing bodies in the street were posted on Telegram at 7:52pm, around one hour after the mayor posted that Bucha had been liberated and in the same day that the local authority posted that the liberation was ongoing. Subsequent videos followed that evening, local times. If you imagine retaking a city, carefully checking for enemy troops or dangerous ordanance it would take time - it seems that the killings there occurred in a couple of places. It would take a bit of time to find them or come across them. Bucha has a similar population to Stirling - if Stirling was occupied by an army and 280 people were killed, it would take a while to find them, probably longer in Bucha as it is twice the area of Stirling. There were also bodies of killed soldiers in the streets as well. So the timeline of events doesn't match that there was an unnatural gap between the liberation of the town and the discovery of the dead bodies. Of course, if they had been found immediately the Russian government and their supporters would say that was suspicious. I don't know the optimum time to discover a massacre site in a medium sized town. Have you heard of drones, or satellites? You're also going with the presumption that the city will have been completely deserted, when in reality the populace who stayed, and would've been well aware of the locations of these sites and it would've been the first thing they showed the liberating forces. However as mentioned with the rise in drones and satellites the Ukrainian forces would've had a pretty solid idea of where to look, they weren't coming into a random city, they were coming back to their city, they'll have known where the Russian defensive positions were. Timelines seem absolutely fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 12 minutes ago, Grant228 said: Have you heard of drones, or satellites? You're also going with the presumption that the city will have been completely deserted, when in reality the populace who stayed, and would've been well aware of the locations of these sites and it would've been the first thing they showed the liberating forces. However as mentioned with the rise in drones and satellites the Ukrainian forces would've had a pretty solid idea of where to look, they weren't coming into a random city, they were coming back to their city, they'll have known where the Russian defensive positions were. Timelines seem absolutely fine. That’s a good point. I’m sure though that it would take a while, even with drones. New York Times is reporting that the bodies were visible in satellite pictures for several days as well, further illustrating the evidence that these people were killed by Russian forces. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle_do_nicely Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 6 hours ago, Bairnardo said: I'm sure detournement thinks he's "just asking the difficult questions" or something 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Remember some on here saying Ukraine should just surrender? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 I think we're about a fortnight away from @Detournement claiming the earth is flat. An absolute fucking moonhowler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Reports that around 200 Ukrainian Marines have surrendered in Mariupol. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Satellite images show the bodies in Bucha for several days prior to Russians leaving. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 1 hour ago, ICTChris said: Reports that around 200 Ukrainian Marines have surrendered in Mariupol. Where you seeing that, Chris? Only site I found on Google news search was an Indian newspaper. And I'm disinclined to believe Indian news outlets as they've had a pretty clear pro Russian bias so far imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, Sweet Pete said: Where you seeing that, Chris? Only site I found on Google news search was an Indian newspaper. And I'm disinclined to believe Indian news outlets as they've had a pretty clear pro Russian bias so far imo. It's also been confirmed by a number of sources. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Not great. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 (edited) Face Of War is a Russian linked channel but it's been confirmed by a few other reputable sources. Other Ukrainian marines continue fighting in the city. There's reports of videos showing Russian prisoners being executed circulating on Telegram today as well. Edited April 5, 2022 by ICTChris 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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