101 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Unbelievable that working people voted to erode their own rights. I wonder if this was part of the redundan shake up they were trumpeting about in the manifesto. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 20 hours ago, coprolite said: We could legislate against this or apply very high tax rates. But we won't, because leftists are dangerous traitors who are hell bent on destroying British values, or something. We could always do something simple like establish salary caps so the disparity within a company between top management and the rest of us was less grotesque. Sure, there are always ways around such measures but we should be looking to do something. Unfortunately, getting these types of things into law is like asking turkeys to vote for Christmas. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 @Day of the Lords is right in calling the thread a Masterclass as I've a horrible feeling that, in our bright new Brexit land, there'll be loads of companies watching and learning from this outrageous behaviour by P&O. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 [mention=15829]Day of the Lords[/mention] is right in calling the thread a Masterclass as I've a horrible feeling that, in our bright new Brexit land, there'll be loads of companies watching and learning from this outrageous behaviour by P&O. This exactly, it's precisely one of the things they voted for ie a massive erosion of UK working rights. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 11 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said: [mention=15829]Day of the Lords[/mention] is right in calling the thread a Masterclass as I've a horrible feeling that, in our bright new Brexit land, there'll be loads of companies watching and learning from this outrageous behaviour by P&O. This exactly, it's precisely one of the things they voted for ie a massive erosion of UK working rights. It isn't working rights. It's red tape! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, scottsdad said: It isn't working rights. It's red tape! Headline: "OVERTIME BOOM FOR HARDWORKING BRITS!!!" Story: Working time directive scrapped allowing companies to demand you work 72 hours a week. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) Haven't followed this thread but for anyone who has read The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists, you'll agree that Robert Tressell/Frank Owen is being proven right again. For those who haven't read it, please try to do so. Edited March 23, 2022 by jimbaxters 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, 101 said: Unbelievable that working people voted to erode their own rights. I wonder if this was part of the redundan shake up they were trumpeting about in the manifesto. Sadly many people didn't see beyond 'Get brown people out'. The Tories knew this fine well which is why it was so prominent in their rhetoric and materials. They knew they could 'sneak' (I say 'sneak' because it was in plain sight but they, rightly, knew folk wouldn't read that far in) in all the stuff they really wanted, which was all based around making loads and loads of money at the expense of workers. It was all about them and their pals making more cash, regardless of who it hurts. Labour have been learning this over recent years as they're desperate for some of the cash too. 10 hours ago, The Skelpit Lug said: @Day of the Lords is right in calling the thread a Masterclass as I've a horrible feeling that, in our bright new Brexit land, there'll be loads of companies watching and learning from this outrageous behaviour by P&O. That's what Brexit was always about. Edited March 23, 2022 by DA Baracus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 P&O look like unfortunately they have not broken any British Laws. Very thorough Letter. Bit I take out of it most is how no employees in French or Dutch companies sacked. I suspect EU laws made it more difficult to move them "offshore". https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1062461/Letter_from_PO_Ferries_to_Business_Secretary_Kwasi_Kwarteng_22_March_2022.pdf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 31 minutes ago, superbigal said: P&O look like unfortunately they have not broken any British Laws. Very thorough Letter. Bit I take out of it most is how no employees in French or Dutch companies sacked. I suspect EU laws made it more difficult to move them "offshore". https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1062461/Letter_from_PO_Ferries_to_Business_Secretary_Kwasi_Kwarteng_22_March_2022.pdf A Malta-registered company established just four weeks ago is supplying UK-based ferry company P&O with replacement staff after it sacked 800 workers with immediate effect, UK media has reported. P&O Ferries has turned to the Ta’ Xbiex-based International Ferry Management Ltd. to fill crew positions left vacant by its shock decision to axe a quarter of its workforce with immediate effect. International Ferry Management Ltd. has a sole registered shareholder, Antonio Ciriale, and was set up on February 11 of this year. Ciriale featured in the Paradise Papers offshore data leak published by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists as the director of another Malta-registered company. French media has reported that all the 800 workers sacked are British and that French workers are unaffected. The company’s long-term plan is to replace sacked workers with cheaper Colombian crew workers, according to a French union source. Security agents later escorted affected P&O personnel from Dover facilities, while 100 Colombians and 40 temporary workers boarded the group's ferries that were stationed there, the source added. https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/po-ferries-sourcing-underpaid-staff-from-malta-based-firm-uk-media.942552 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 57 minutes ago, superbigal said: P&O look like unfortunately they have not broken any British Laws. Very thorough Letter. Bit I take out of it most is how no employees in French or Dutch companies sacked. I suspect EU laws made it more difficult to move them "offshore". https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1062461/Letter_from_PO_Ferries_to_Business_Secretary_Kwasi_Kwarteng_22_March_2022.pdf I think that P & O are being selective with the legislation that they are required to comply with. They paid their UK based employees in the UK and therefore are required to comply with the relevant UK Acts. What there are particular rules around seafarers, there is no exception in regards to notification on redundancy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thane of Cawdor Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 3 hours ago, jimbaxters said: Haven't followed this thread but for anyone who has read The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists, you'll agree that Robert Tressell/Frank Owen is being proven right again. For those who haven't read it, please try to do so. I read an interview with Tressell's daughter a long time ago in which she claimed that, had her father been living now, he would vote SDP. Guess she hadn't read the book. I was at a conference in Liverpool when a mate and I made a pilgrimage to Tressell's grave. It involved climbing over a high metal gate and persuading a big bloke with two Dobermans that we were admirers rather than grave robbers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 3 hours ago, jimbaxters said: Haven't followed this thread but for anyone who has read The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists, you'll agree that Robert Tressell/Frank Owen is being proven right again. For those who haven't read it, please try to do so. Great book, very humorous and a very easy read. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, Thane of Cawdor said: I read an interview with Tressell's daughter a long time ago in which she claimed that, had her father been living now, he would vote SDP. Guess she hadn't read the book. I was at a conference in Liverpool when a mate and I made a pilgrimage to Tressell's grave. It involved climbing over a high metal gate and persuading a big bloke with two Dobermans that we were admirers rather than grave robbers. I've bought my kids and some friends a copy of the book. It's a masterpiece of social comment which gives you a shake every time you read it. Barrington's speech is a thing of beauty. I've just downloaded a modern version drawing parallels with today's society, highlighting food banks and the like. Will read it when finished my current book but this P&O saga could easily be included. B*******s! Edited March 24, 2022 by jimbaxters 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Why is he apologising? He won't reverse the decision and doesn't think it should have been done any differently. If you're going to be a c**t at least have the backbone and stand by your decision, typical "we are sorry you are sad, now f**k off" type thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Fessed up that they broke the law. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60862933 Hopefully criminal charges incoming as well as civil claims. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) Hilarious how he was trying to paint the P&O brass as heroes with the assertion that if they hadn't ignored the law, actually consulted unions, and so on, then the company would have gone bust. So in reality they are the good guys. What I don't understand was why the committee didn't batter him on the "average hourly rate of £5.50". That's the average across the entire crew, so in reality the bulk of these replacement staff will be earning a f**k ton less than £5.50 an hour, while working out of UK ports. This, while the fucker openly admitted his own basic salary is £375,000 and he's in line to pick up two performance related bonus. It's puzzling how, in order to streamline the costs of a company losing 100's of millions, they can illegally fire employees earning a pittance, but happily continue to fulfil the contracts of employees earning 6-7 figures. Toryism in action I suppose. Edited March 24, 2022 by Boo Khaki 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Left Back said: Fessed up that they broke the law. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60862933 Hopefully criminal charges incoming as well as civil claims. I may be wrong, but I think breaking that part of employment law is not a criminal issue. He is still a fucking w**k though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, Leith Green said: I may be wrong, but I think breaking that part of employment law is not a criminal issue. He is still a fucking w**k though. It's the failing to notify the secretary of state that's a criminal offence and he's still claiming they had no obligation to do this in the UK. Stick him in front of a jury and see how he gets on with that argument. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Even Tories are pointing out you can't just rock up to Parliament, say you broke the law on purpose and remain CEO of a major company. The guys testimony reminds me of the spiv guy who admitted purposefully defrauding Edinburgh council at the inquiry into trams then everyone pretended he only said it as he was jet lagged. 4 years later and the inquiry still hasn't published their report because it's now impossible to whitewash. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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