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Richey Edwards

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20 minutes ago, scottish tory said:

What's wrong with my username, it describes me very well. I haven't been at a football match for at least 20 years.

While I believe your story and genuinely found it quite funny, as a neutral observer and advocate of The Forum I believe it will harm your credibility in political discussions. You'd fit right in on the Hearts thread though, I'd take up the football again.

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6 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

In a valiant attempt to get back on topic, I understand that His Most Britannic Majesty has appointed a pro-homeopathy doctor as head of the royal medical household. I confess that I was surprised that there was such a thing as the "royal medical household", but have been rather put off looking at the homeopathy angle because of the Wikipedia entry I found for it.  I know that Wikipedia isn't always a perfect source of information, and I am almost hoping there is a typo, (maybe something to do with the eyes?) but I was surprised at what I read about the royal medical household's membership...

"Current roles include a Personal Doctor to the King and Queen, Physician to the King, a Serjeant Surgeon, Apothecaries to the King, Occultist to the King, Dentist to the King, Orthopaedic Surgeon to the King and Surgeon Gynaecologist to the Queen."

IN THE 21ST CENTURY THERE IS AN OFFICIAL POST OF OCCULTIST TO THE KING? Info on the web is a bit sparse... please, please, can someone at least confirm that the post has been, and remains, unfilled?

Maybe it's something to do with eyes?

Edit : As you said! :lol:

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2 minutes ago, scottish tory said:

I don't know what any of that means?

You'll probably not believe this either but I'm new to all this Internet forum business! (I'm not far off my free bus pass)

Call my cynical but your posting style is very similar to a good few multi banned users on here hence my assertions. We will see how it goes but it's uncanny how many completely new users sign up, never post anywhere but politics threads, start off with the "I come  in peace, I know nobody " lines and yet within a couple of weeks they have had a total meltdown and end up banned.....rinse and repeat. 

To add to the coincidence they always are pro monarchy,  pro Tory, right wing and anti SNP so you can see how folk think how they do 😏

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1 hour ago, scottish tory said:

What's wrong with my username, it describes me very well. I haven't been at a football match for at least 20 years.

Here's a good bit of analysis of the impact of the Royal family:

 

"In terms of what they bring to the economy, valuation consultancy group, Brand Finance, estimated that the monarchy’s helped boost the economy with a gross uplift of £1.76billion in the year 2021/22.

This figure factors in ‘the Crown Estate’s surplus as well as the monarchy’s indirect effect on various industries’ into their valuations.

And this figure might even be a conservative one, when you consider the royal family indirectly keep other industries ticking along – like journalists, authors and even fashion dupes and inspiration.

A lot of the money comes from visits to the iconic buildings themselves."




 

That all seems a bit nebulous, tbh.

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6 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

Call my cynical but your posting style is very similar to a good few multi banned users on here hence my assertions. We will see how it goes but it's uncanny how many completely new users sign up, never post anywhere but politics threads, start off with the "I come  in peace, I know nobody " lines and yet within a couple of weeks they have had a total meltdown and end up banned.....rinse and repeat. 

To add to the coincidence they always are pro monarchy,  pro Tory, right wing and anti SNP so you can see how folk think how they do 😏

Cynical, you've hit the nail on the head...

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9 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

In a valiant attempt to get back on topic, I understand that His Most Britannic Majesty has appointed a pro-homeopathy doctor as head of the royal medical household. I confess that I was surprised that there was such a thing as the "royal medical household", but have been rather put off looking at the homeopathy angle because of the Wikipedia entry I found for it.  I know that Wikipedia isn't always a perfect source of information, and I am almost hoping there is a typo, (maybe something to do with the eyes?) but I was surprised at what I read about the royal medical household's membership...

"Current roles include a Personal Doctor to the King and Queen, Physician to the King, a Serjeant Surgeon, Apothecaries to the King, Occultist to the King, Dentist to the King, Orthopaedic Surgeon to the King and Surgeon Gynaecologist to the Queen."

IN THE 21ST CENTURY THERE IS AN OFFICIAL POST OF OCCULTIST TO THE KING? Info on the web is a bit sparse... please, please, can someone at least confirm that the post has been, and remains, unfilled?

To (sort of) paraphrase Frankie Boyle, when the queen was alive they could have saved money by combining the gynaecologist and occultist roles.

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4 hours ago, scottish tory said:

The Royal family bring in far more money than they get from tax payers. We would be so much worse off without them.

President Blair? Or Farage?

Constitutional monarchy may have its anachronisms, still better than any alternative for me. But that's just my opinion!

I think it would make a lot more money if Buckingham Palace was fully open to the public similarly to Stirling or Edinburgh Castles - rather than having people at the gates while a rich c**t who's done nothing to earn his wealth waves at them once or twice, probably thinking the people outside are utter clowns for standing there.

Constitutional Monarchy is fine if it's done how Norway (or the likes) do it - don't pay them with taxpayer's money, make them earn it.

The Norwegian monarchy don't live in fancy palaces, it's just a (slightly larger than average) house. They receive little-to-no taxpayer money.

Meanwhile, King Chuck takes from the dead.

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6 hours ago, scottish tory said:

The Royal family bring in far more money than they get from tax payers. We would be so much worse off without them.

President Blair? Or Farage?

Constitutional monarchy may have its anachronisms, still better than any alternative for me. But that's just my opinion!

I realise that "scottish tory" might not still be around but it is stunning to see the argument about the monarchy and alleged income generation rearing its ugly head again.

As someone far more eloquent than me once put it, France and Italy got rid of their monarchies quite some time ago -  unless someone wants to claim that not a single tourist has set foot in those countries since, we'd have to conclude that the tourists might still visit the UK ex-Royal residences..  after all, they'd actually get access to them as paying visitors a lot easier than they can now, and for more of the year.

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19 minutes ago, Fullerene said:

What exactly is the objection to President <Horrible Person> (Insert name).  They will merely be a figurehead, they have very little real power and don't even get to control what they get to say in public.  

Probably because you don't want a war criminal (for instance) representing your country. 

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1 hour ago, Fullerene said:

What exactly is the objection to President <Horrible Person> (Insert name).  They will merely be a figurehead, they have very little real power and don't even get to control what they get to say in public.  

Plus there are the added attractions of the post-holder being able to be booted out by the electorate AND not be at the head of a probably similarly abolished class/honours/forelock tugging/know your place system.

I appreciate it might be hard to dislodge someone from a post when some folk apparently think a supernatural entity appointed him for life and wants his heirs and successors to keep the lineage in power, but it's worth a go IMO.

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