San Starko Rover Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Not really bothered, if Clarke wants to call him up that’s his call, I doubt he considers himself Scottish considering he’s played for England but only he knows how he feels. Ultimately we’re a small country with a small pool of players and we need to use every player available to us or we’re at a disadvantage against other countries who will. Gunn and Adams took us as their second choice and Gunn’s father was a Scotland International. I’m sure most would like to have a squad full of proud Scots but in reality we need a squad of good players. There’s plenty born here who hate the National team and plenty born outside with Scottish family who consider themselves to be Scottish and proud of it. Is Barnes a proud Scot? Probably not but if he can do a job for us like others have in the past then fine, he’ll need to realize he’s not walking into that starting eleven though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONTROOPER Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 13 hours ago, velo army said: We are absolutely massive. Who ate all the pies? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Ewanandmoreagain said: The Law Man never got criticised ! I don't know about that but I've seen him greeting in documentaries when talking about playing for Scotland 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Savage Henry said: Matteo was born in Dunfries, I believe, and developed a chronic illness towards the end of his playing days. Ritchie got divorced and decided seeing his kids was more important than international football. No idea why you brought up Barry Ferguson. Why not mention Robert Snodgrass? Barry pulled out of more squads than care to remember Ritchie couldn't be fucked and signed up for us when a second tier Bournemouth player to raise his profile, job done 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Binos said: I don't know about that but I've seen him greeting in documentaries when talking about playing for Scotland Aye mind that was asked what was the greatest moment of his career and said playing for his country while pretty much greeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) There are clearly multiple categories of "dual nationality" players who are playing for us here, and Barnes would be in the same boat as the likes of Ritchie, Morrison, Commons, Adams etc where it is definitely a convenience aspect rather than a lifelong dream. It doesn't mean they're not going to turn out well for us, but it means it's definitely reasonable to have initial question marks over their motivation, especially if they only join up when things start going well. I don't think it makes any sense to compare them to guys who have always chosen to play for Scotland like Cooper, McTominay, McBurnie or Alexander, and especially not to guys who were brought up in Scotland, but who happened to be born elsewhere, like Tierney, Maloney or Fletcher. Clarke will get it right though, he will see straight through any bullshitters, and I doubt he'll bring in anyone that will upset the balance of the squad. Edited September 10, 2023 by craigkillie 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 The only point I'm making is they can't all be like McQueen who in older age, rip, said he still wasn't retired and would play for Scotland tomorrow So whether Scottish or not or born here or not they all have different levels of commitment from Law levels down to Ritchie So give Harvey Barnes a go if we wants to, for me 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxo Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 I have absolutely no problem with 'granny qualifiers' at all, but the timing here stinks a bit. If he had decided he was Scottish this time last year, I would have no problem welcoming him with open arms. Now that we're a shoo in for the Euros and he's coincidentally not getting anywhere near the England squad... not so much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH75 Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, Paxo said: I have absolutely no problem with 'granny qualifiers' at all, but the timing here stinks a bit. If he had decided he was Scottish this time last year, I would have no problem welcoming him with open arms. Now that we're a shoo in for the Euros and he's coincidentally not getting anywhere near the England squad... not so much. Is this not literally the exact same thing that Che Adams did though? Wasn't interested until we qualified for Euro 2020 but I don't think you could doubt his commitment now. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Ron Aldo said: The only way to settle this is to get Barnes in the squad for Tuesday night. He then has to score and run to the England fans doing an Adebayor style celebration. If this doesn't happen, we move on. 7 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said: Comme ça... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Imagine judging players by how emotional they get on tabloid TV. All it comes down to is 1. Do they want to? And 2. are they any good? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Harry Burns would be a super addition to the squid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moomintroll Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 3 hours ago, Ewanandmoreagain said: The Law Man never got criticised ! Or has his name spelled correctly, apparently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moomintroll Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Harvey Barnes is a pler, would take him in a hearbeat. Maybe KT has listened to the crowd & wants to play no part of a crime against music? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawford Bridge Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 France, Spain, Germany, Italy and Portugal, the nations that win tournaments, have no problem with this but Scotland should be above it? The tartan army is full of oddballs. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 59 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: Imagine judging players by how emotional they get on tabloid TV. All it comes down to is 1. Do they want to? And 2. are they any good? Okay, it wasn't on Sky Arts, but have you seen the footage in question? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Maybe Tierney is just embarrassed because of his singing voice? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie S Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) I don’t think this has come completely out of the blue. As I mentioned a while back on the Is Newcastle Scottish thread, it was reported last season that Clarke and Carver had attended a Leicester City EPL match (may have been against Palace, IIRC), which was notable by the fact that Barnes was the only obviously Scotland-eligible player on both sides. At that point, I fully expected Barnes would be named in the next squad. As it happens he wasn’t, but I doubt Clarke and Carver would have been there if there hadn’t been some intimation that Barnes was open to switching, or at least an ongoing attempt on their part to persuade him to do so. I think Barnes has been on Clarke’s radar for a while. Edited September 10, 2023 by Frankie S 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skiblue Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Maybe the squad should have singing lessons before the start of the euro finals 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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