coprolite Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 21 hours ago, printer said: Yeah, I thought about that, but my gut feel is there are probably enough people playing it worldwide for his achievements to qualify. It's not an exact science, as neither is the whole debate, which is why anyone coming up with "Andy Murray, close thread" or versions of that is either a bit ignorant or looking for reassurance. The one on my list who definitely should be excluded on the minority sport criterion is Chris Hoy. The number of people who have seriously tried his sport is relatively tiny. That's not to detract from his achievements. I know he will have been as dedicated and intense in his training and preparation as anyone else being mooted. Not to mention mental aspects. Did Peter Nicol not disqualify himself from this list? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Announce the results. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 10 hours ago, die hard doonhamer said: Murray spent his career up against the Senna, Schumacher and Fangio of tennis, though. Djokovic, Federer and Nadal are the 3 greatest to ever have played tennis. In any other era Murray would have dominated for a decade. I agree with that re Murray. On Clark, he is considered one of the greatest ever in F1. To me it is a real shame that he isn't more celebrated. You could argue that Murray was up against the Senna, Clark and Fangio of tennis. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1. Andy Murray 2. Chris Hoy 3. Jim Clark 4. Denis Law 5. Stephen Hendry 6. Jackie Stewart 7. Ken Buchannan 8. Kenny Dalglish 9. Alex Ferguson 10. Gary Anderson 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
printer Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 10 hours ago, die hard doonhamer said: Murray spent his career up against the Senna, Schumacher and Fangio of tennis, though. Djokovic, Federer and Nadal are the 3 greatest to ever have played tennis. In any other era Murray would have dominated for a decade. I think It's quite a leap from the facts to that statement. Unless you are comparing Andy as he was (modern fitness, lifestyle, equipment etc) to past players with their equivalents. Not a valid comparison IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curva Nord Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 (edited) Undisputed champion of the world. Not many of them about to be fair! Obviously always comes second to Ken but still it was some achievement! Edited March 30 by Curva Nord 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 4 hours ago, printer said: I think It's quite a leap from the facts to that statement. Unless you are comparing Andy as he was (modern fitness, lifestyle, equipment etc) to past players with their equivalents. Not a valid comparison IMO. Andy Murray spent 41 weeks as world number 1, whilst spending his entire career competing against the 3 greatest players ever to hold a racquet. He's won more masters titles than anyone other than those 3 and Andre Agassi, ahead of the likes of Pete Sampras (a player who literally dominated tennis for a decade). Scotland's greatest sportsman. Close thread. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Central Belt Caley Posted April 5 Author Share Posted April 5 Will count all the votes tomorrow and post the results if anyone still wants to vote before then 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18May1991 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 On 30/03/2024 at 14:09, MONKMAN said: Andy Murray spent 41 weeks as world number 1, whilst spending his entire career competing against the 3 greatest players ever to hold a racquet. He's won more masters titles than anyone other than those 3 and Andre Agassi, ahead of the likes of Pete Sampras (a player who literally dominated tennis for a decade). Scotland's greatest sportsman. Close thread. He also made 8 Grand Slam titles ( in addition to the 3 he won), losing to one of the 3 every time. I think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 On 30/03/2024 at 14:09, MONKMAN said: Andy Murray spent 41 weeks as world number 1, whilst spending his entire career competing against the 3 greatest players ever to hold a racquet. He's won more masters titles than anyone other than those 3 and Andre Agassi, ahead of the likes of Pete Sampras (a player who literally dominated tennis for a decade). Scotland's greatest sportsman. Close thread. Stats, eh? In all the 72 F1 races Jim Clark raced in, he was on pole position in 33. He got 8 grand slams (pole position, fastest lap, led every lap, won the race) out of his 72 races; next on the list is Lewis Hamilton, with 6 grand slams from 335 races. He won 70% of all races in 1963. He won the Belgian GP by nearly 5 minutes, still a record. He still holds a few records, 60 years after he was at his peak. Other champions (Senna, Stewart) considered him the best ever. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Central Belt Caley Posted April 6 Author Share Posted April 6 Many thanks to all who submitted a list. Kept it to a top 10 due to the number of votes. The top 10 Scottish Sportsmen* according to P&B is as follows: Spoiler 10) Jim Clark 9) Liz Mccolgan 8 ) Allan Wells 7) Jackie Stewart 6) Denis Law 5) Kenny Dalglish 4) Ken Buchanan 3) Stephen Hendry 2) Chris Hoy 1) Andy Murray * including women First to guess the 3 on the list I had never heard of before doing this gets a greenie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard doonhamer Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 4 minutes ago, Central Belt Caley said: Many thanks to all who submitted a list. Kept it to a top 10 due to the number of votes. The top 10 Scottish Sportsmen* according to P&B is as follows: Hide contents 10) Jim Clark 9) Liz Mccolgan 8 ) Allan Wells 7) Jackie Stewart 6) Denis Law 5) Kenny Dalglish 4) Ken Buchanan 3) Stephen Hendry 2) Chris Hoy 1) Andy Murray * including women First to guess the 3 on the list I had never heard of before doing this gets a greenie Buchanan, Wells, Clark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Manhattan Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 5 minutes ago, Central Belt Caley said: First to guess the 3 on the list I had never heard of before doing this gets a greenie Three? No way. You're at the windup, surely? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Central Belt Caley Posted April 6 Author Share Posted April 6 3 minutes ago, die hard doonhamer said: Buchanan, Wells, Clark Well done that man! 1 minute ago, Doctor Manhattan said: Three? No way. You're at the windup, surely? I’m 27 if that makes it any better, genuinely never heard of any of the above 3 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Manhattan Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Central Belt Caley said: I’m 27 if that makes it any better, genuinely never heard of any of the above 3 Haha, fair enough! Just feels like you've been on here for ever. ETA: Just checked, you've got 11 years to my mere 6, although I've been round the sun a few more times than you Edited April 6 by Doctor Manhattan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Recency bias aside, it's still Andy Murray. I had to Google who Jim Clark was as I'd never heard of him until this thread. Also, I have zero interest in F1 or it's history. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 28 minutes ago, TheScarf said: Recency bias aside, it's still Andy Murray. I had to Google who Jim Clark was as I'd never heard of him until this thread. Also, I have zero interest in F1 or it's history. F1 isn't a sport. It's a means of transport. We'd be as well with a getting the bus world championship. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 On 06/04/2024 at 22:27, Central Belt Caley said: Many thanks to all who submitted a list. Kept it to a top 10 due to the number of votes. The top 10 Scottish Sportsmen* according to P&B is as follows: Reveal hidden contents 10) Jim Clark 9) Liz Mccolgan 8 ) Allan Wells 7) Jackie Stewart 6) Denis Law 5) Kenny Dalglish 4) Ken Buchanan 3) Stephen Hendry 2) Chris Hoy 1) Andy Murray * including women First to guess the 3 on the list I had never heard of before doing this gets a greenie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Genuinely surprised I've read someone say snooker isn't a real sport but included Liz McColgan because she can run. Mental. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 4 minutes ago, Derry Alli said: Genuinely surprised I've read someone say snooker isn't a real sport but included Liz McColgan because she can run. Mental. If snooker is a sport, so is tiddly winks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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