welshbairn Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) Israeli policy under every government since the 1970s has been to make the 2 state solution impossible by breaking up the West Bank into Palestinian bubbles surrounded by continually expanding settler communities, cut off with no external borders not under Israeli control, and equally cut off from Gaza which is effectively a prison camp allowed some internal control by the inmates. The supposed good old days of Labour governments had exactly the same policy, the 2 state myth is to cover up the profoundly undemocratic fact that Palestinians will never be allowed to vote for their real rulers because it would make Israeli Jews a minority. Edited October 8, 2023 by welshbairn 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Richey Edwards said: This would have never happened if Donald Trump was still president. Hide contents According to Donald Trump, anyway. He would have nuked them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) Div taking the Israeli dubloons, seemingly. Hilarious propaganda. Edited October 8, 2023 by SweeperDee 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 I seem to be getting a lot of Rachel Riley on my time line. A walking example of why nobody should be able to graduate without passing Humanities modules 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgun Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 4 hours ago, SweeperDee said: Imagine looking to fairytales to try and enforce your nations’ right to expand its’ borders. I think I might start walking up to people and saying “God told me I could have your car.” Wonder if anyone would take me seriously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, Shotgun said: I think I might start walking up to people and saying “God told me I could have your car.” Wonder if anyone would take me seriously. In some places they might let you take it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Shotgun said: I think I might start walking up to people and saying “God told me I could have your car.” Wonder if anyone would take me seriously. I wonder if you could plead religious discrimination when they say no, and when the police turn up? Edited October 8, 2023 by SweeperDee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Very balanced report from MSNBC explaining Netanyahu’s role in the latest violence. https://www.msnbc.com/american-voices/watch/how-israel-s-far-right-government-fueled-tensions-with-hamas-194667077813 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Some reports that Iran/ Russia have been behind/ assisting Hamas leading to this offensive. You can assume there is a geopolitical influence behind the current events or at least some sides trying to make that point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 1 minute ago, jagfox said: Some reports that Iran/ Russia have been behind/ assisting Hamas leading to this offensive. You can assume there is a geopolitical influence behind the current events or at least some sides trying to make that point. Russia will definitely be wanting to further their rousing “special military operation” successes by helping invade *checks notes*, the Holy Land. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, SweeperDee said: Russia will definitely be wanting to further their rousing “special military operation” successes by helping invade *checks notes*, the Holy Land. I think it is more other parties accusing Iran/ Russia of using their influence to destabilise the area, amongst others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Just now, jagfox said: I think it is more other parties accusing Iran/ Russia of using their influence to destabilise the area, amongst others. Oh absolutely. That message has been on full send over the past few days/years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Russia are saying Israel should return to it's 1967 borders. Quite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 If in doubt blame it on Russia. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, Newbornbairn said: Russia are saying Israel should return to it's 1967 borders. Quite. Fucking bold, but funnily enough, absolutely right. Broken clock, etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 1 hour ago, invergowrie arab said: I seem to be getting a lot of Rachel Riley on my time line. A walking example of why nobody should be able to graduate without passing Humanities modules She posted about seeing people celebrating and waving Palestine flags in London but had to shoehorn in the fact she was out for baklava with her Ukrainian friends as if it was a significant detail. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggy McJagface Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 23 minutes ago, throbber said: She posted about seeing people celebrating and waving Palestine flags in London but had to shoehorn in the fact she was out for baklava with her Ukrainian friends as if it was a significant detail. Amazes me the people that insist Ukraine has every justification to use violence in a conflict against a much more powerful nation that wants to wipe them off the map yet steadfastly refuse to translate this principle to the Palestinian situation. They tend to either be massive hypocrites or have a very simplistic “goodies vs baddies” interpretation of the conflict where they have already decided that Israel = goodies and Hamas = baddies which leaves them no room for nuance. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 15 minutes ago, Jaggy McJagface said: Amazes me the people that insist Ukraine has every justification to use violence in a conflict against a much more powerful nation that wants to wipe them off the map yet steadfastly refuse to translate this principle to the Palestinian situation. They tend to either be massive hypocrites or have a very simplistic “goodies vs baddies” interpretation of the conflict where they have already decided that Israel = goodies and Hamas = baddies which leaves them no room for nuance. The latest attacks from Hamas against civilians is not legitimate though, now they are at war perfectly acceptable for them to be killing soldiers. Both sides of this conflict have for a very long time been killing civilians. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 17 minutes ago, Jaggy McJagface said: Amazes me the people that insist Ukraine has every justification to use violence in a conflict against a much more powerful nation that wants to wipe them off the map yet steadfastly refuse to translate this principle to the Palestinian situation. They tend to either be massive hypocrites or have a very simplistic “goodies vs baddies” interpretation of the conflict where they have already decided that Israel = goodies and Hamas = baddies which leaves them no room for nuance. Also galling that Zelenskyy is supporting Israel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Newbornbairn said: Russia are saying Israel should return to it's 1967 borders. Quite. I'm no pro-Russia bot but I agree. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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