Dunning1874 Posted Friday at 09:26 Share Posted Friday at 09:26 23 hours ago, Theyellowbox said: Israel now killed the head of Hamas in Gaza. You'd assume that would provoke some kind of response from Iran, but I'm not sure they will. The actions of Israel over the past few weeks in Lebanon and beyond and Irans powder puff response make Iran look pretty weak and in danger of making its proxys come to the conclusion that Iran cannot and will not help them when needed. I think Israel feel emboldened and the hardliners in government might just think that to keep going might force a regime change in Iran. It won't and it will just cause more unnecessary bloodshed, but they might think they are up for war crimes anyway, so what's a few more. I don't think the response does make Iran look weak. Obviously it's hard to judge as neither the Israeli or Iranian governments are a remotely trustworthy source on the extent of the damage done and Israel has gone fully into censorship with their own media in reporting the extent of the damage, claiming allowing reporting on how many missiles made it through and successfully hit their targets would risk giving intelligence to Iran. Israel and allies would like to portray it as a failure to show off the success of their defensive measures, while simultaneously casting Iran as such a big threat that they must be stopped by military means. They must be weak and strong at the same time, which sounds familiar, but on Iran's own terms it appears to be a success - although considering their own likely inability to deal with a retaliatory attack on their oil or nuclear facilities that may change. The targets of Iran's attack were military bases and Mossad HQ. Their claim that 90% of the missiles hit their targets will likely be heavily exaggerated, but clearly several missiles did make it through - there are satellite images showing destroyed F-35s at one of the airbases they hit. By the looks of it they failed to hit Mossad, but nevertheless they've clearly demonstrated that the Iron Dome can't stop them as it can Hamas and Hezbollah rockets, and they've shown they can successfully carry out targeted attacks on Israeli military bases from within Iran. That one of the Israeli retorts as proof of Iran's failure here has been "Haha, you didn't even kill a single Israeli civilian, what a failure" is very much telling on themselves: sometimes when a state says they're carrying out an attack on a military target they actually mean they're aiming for a military target rather than deliberately blowing up dozens of children in a residential tower block. This is where "deescalation through escalation" takes us. If Israel argues it's a necessary step to carpet bomb Beirut out of spite because Hezbollah are repelling their ground invasion and the Rules Based International Order says nothing, then said international order loses any authority to say that Iran are out of line in launching missiles at Israel that only hit military targets due to the obvious hypocrisy, and we are rapidly spiralling out of control with two despotic regimes who despise each other being given no reason not to escalate further. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudia Gentile Posted Friday at 12:06 Share Posted Friday at 12:06 20 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Israel doesn’t seem too committed to a two state solution either… To paraphrase Frankie Boyle, they are. Liquid and gas for the Palestinians. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted Friday at 12:30 Share Posted Friday at 12:30 22 minutes ago, Claudia Gentile said: To paraphrase Frankie Boyle, they are. Liquid and gas for the Palestinians. There is not another country in the world that gets a free pass on hypocrisy, lies and atrocities in the way that Israel does. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted Friday at 15:03 Share Posted Friday at 15:03 (edited) 13 hours ago, itzdrk said: It's pretty widely accepted now that this was a false flag attack by Israel (Mossad). Accepted by who? Even if that's what happened, it's still worth listing among terror attacks in the UK linked to the Middle East. Edited Friday at 15:29 by GordonS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted Friday at 15:25 Share Posted Friday at 15:25 4,000 children in Gaza have lost at least one limb since 7 October. That's more than 10 every single day. Every time I hear someone say iSrAeL hAs A rIgHt tO dEfEnD hErSeLf, I know the bit they're not saying is that Palestine and Lebanon don't. The whole thing is driven by pure racism. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted Friday at 15:29 Share Posted Friday at 15:29 18 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Doesn’t look like the British people do. I can't find a source for that at all, and YouGov polls are generally easy to find. I found the tweet in which it was first shared and there's no source, with a couple of replies saying they couldn't find it either. The last YouGov poll asking about attitudes towards the "conflict" appears to have been in July. I think someone made this up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted Friday at 15:50 Share Posted Friday at 15:50 It's utterly vile that none of the major powers are stepping in to put Netenyahu back in his box. But then again, Lebanon and Gaza have no natural resources. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Manhattan Posted Friday at 15:59 Share Posted Friday at 15:59 8 minutes ago, johnnydun said: But then again, Lebanon and Gaza have no natural resources. Quinquireme of Nineveh from distant Ophir Rowing home to haven in sunny Palestine, With a cargo of ivory, And apes and peacocks, Sandalwood, cedarwood, and sweet white wine. Global demand for cedars has unfortunately fallen off sharply this century. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted Friday at 16:00 Share Posted Friday at 16:00 9 minutes ago, johnnydun said: It's utterly vile that none of the major powers are stepping in to put Netenyahu back in his box. But then again, Lebanon and Gaza have no natural resources. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_in_the_Gaza_Strip#:~:text=The discovered natural gas reserve,1 and Gaza Marine 2. Gaza's got gas but Israel wants control and a cut. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted Friday at 16:28 Share Posted Friday at 16:28 19 hours ago, Freedom Farter said: I didn't think it would've come across that way but if so then my fault for not wording it clearly enough. The preceding comments were speculating on the possibility of a terrorist attack here as a result of our government's policy on this. I was meaning to respond that I think that's unlikely. At least, its unlikely from sympathisers of the direct militant forces involved because its not something they've a history of, seemingly due to theological reasons. Salafi jihadists are who do the offensive jihad attacks on random civilians and, as staunch sectarians, they'll quietly be pleased at what Israel is doing in Lebanon just now. The salafi jihadists do sympathise with Gazans, a majority sunni population. Yet because no UK entity has carried out any of the violence in Gaza, the threat from them is hopefully negligible. Ah right. Maybe it just came across that way because I was tired or something. Hope you have a great weekend from 4.50pm tomorrow onwards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinkerbelle Posted Friday at 22:24 Share Posted Friday at 22:24 Quite surprised that nobody has put a poll up on here to see the support for either side. Could be fun and games to see who is prepared to be cancelled by the illuminati on here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted yesterday at 00:38 Share Posted yesterday at 00:38 2 hours ago, tinkerbelle said: Quite surprised that nobody has put a poll up on here to see the support for either side. Could be fun and games to see who is prepared to be cancelled by the illuminati on here. Wait, the Illuminati have started murdering posters on Scottish football forums? Are they more Rangers or Celtic these days? I'm not sure how accurate The Da Vinci Code was. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted yesterday at 06:02 Share Posted yesterday at 06:02 On 03/10/2024 at 05:24, Highlandmagar said: That has always been a risk. We have meddled in the Middle East for millenia. In recent times had a wee part in Iraq and Syria. We are always going to be a target no matter who is PM. Agree in principle but the timescale's off. A millennium ago we (Britain and more particularly Scotland) were in no fit shape to be meddling in the Middle East. The Middle Easterns would have leathered us. You could say almost a millennium, but it's centuries. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted yesterday at 06:10 Share Posted yesterday at 06:10 7 minutes ago, coprolite said: Agree in principle but the timescale's off. A millennium ago we (Britain and more particularly Scotland) were in no fit shape to be meddling in the Middle East. The Middle Easterns would have leathered us. You could say almost a millennium, but it's centuries. Damn. Got my timeline wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted yesterday at 06:13 Share Posted yesterday at 06:13 7 minutes ago, coprolite said: Agree in principle but the timescale's off. A millennium ago we (Britain and more particularly Scotland) were in no fit shape to be meddling in the Middle East. The Middle Easterns would have leathered us. You could say almost a millennium, but it's centuries. The Crusades were pretty well score draws on average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted yesterday at 06:29 Share Posted yesterday at 06:29 14 minutes ago, welshbairn said: The Crusades were pretty well score draws on average. I though Richard the Lionheart was unbeaten until a wee sprog done him in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted yesterday at 06:32 Share Posted yesterday at 06:32 16 minutes ago, welshbairn said: The Crusades were pretty well score draws on average. I think America won the last one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted yesterday at 06:42 Share Posted yesterday at 06:42 8 minutes ago, coprolite said: I think America won the last one. I am sure Trump led those Crusades! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted yesterday at 06:45 Share Posted yesterday at 06:45 2 minutes ago, Highlandmagar said: I am sure Trump led those Crusades! "Let me tell you about the crusades, mines was the best crusade... everybody is saying that " 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted yesterday at 06:53 Share Posted yesterday at 06:53 15 hours ago, johnnydun said: It's utterly vile that none of the major powers are stepping in to put Netenyahu in a box. Ftfy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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