philpy Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Someone's claiming on fantalk that derek holmes in talks with raith. I hope not. Never rated him, and i think him and brian graham would be too similiar, a nippy, pacy striker (baird hopefully!) up front with graham would work better i reckon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALDERON Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 He's fat, lazy and shit. No thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted May 22, 2011 Author Share Posted May 22, 2011 None of the goals came while I was at right back I'd like to point out I've just a had of a flashback, my first goal hit the bar on it's way in, didn't it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 I've just a had of a flashback, my first goal hit the bar on it's way in, didn't it? Honestly I'm not to sure, I'm pretty sure it was a well struck shot from range or something similar, I only remember it being a good goal because I said "Oaft" after it had went in, that's about as far as my appreciation of any opposition player will go... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beachbum Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Ramsay and Baxter of Cowdenbeath are possible signings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllanJM Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Youth Development Unfortunately lads you've got to realise that with all due respect to these boys, they are at the Rovers youth set up because they were not good enough to play at a higher level when they wer 14, 15 etc with the likes of celtic, rangers, motherwell's youth teams. It is very unlikely that you can improve to that level if you have never been at SPLyouth level when you were younger, Graham Weir is a good example of this. Don't mean to be negative but this is the reality of our youth set up, and probably most teams youth set ups in the lower leagues. If other teams are more succesful it means out Scouting system is not working and needs to have a personel change. Sad state of affairs and i hope im wrong, but don't think i will be unfortunately, as we could do with prodcuing some actual quality. = Hamilton for example. Try going along and watching the games before making such sweeping statements. Without doing that how do you know how good the younger teams are. You also go on about them not being good enough because they haven't been signed by one of the bigger teams. What happened to the young guys who have come through the ranks at smaller clubs like Livingston and Hamilton then. For all you know we have more good players at 13 or 14 who are simply happy at Rovers and don't want to follow their mates to Hearts. Why do so many Rovers fans feel the need to go on about the youth setup as if its a massive drain on the club's resources. Most (if not all) of the funding comes from direct sponsorship and money from the SFA. This money wouldn't be coming into the club at all if we didn't have a youth set up. It isn't taking anything away from the first team and could potentially unearth a superstar. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverthemoon Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 He's fat, lazy and shit. No thanks. This 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Did u ever watch Wedderburn??? Bombscare. If the boy wizny 6'6 he would never have got a look in as a youth player. He was improving though, and god knows I was critical of him after that Morton game. He'd also just had a good bit of experience at Arbroath, so it's not just a case of not good enough as it is of being ready enough as well. No doubt some of the young guys will make mistakes, but then to write them off simply because they are at the Rovers rather than the old firm is nonsensical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.C Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Try going along and watching the games before making such sweeping statements. Without doing that how do you know how good the younger teams are. You also go on about them not being good enough because they haven't been signed by one of the bigger teams. What happened to the young guys who have come through the ranks at smaller clubs like Livingston and Hamilton then. For all you know we have more good players at 13 or 14 who are simply happy at Rovers and don't want to follow their mates to Hearts. Why do so many Rovers fans feel the need to go on about the youth setup as if its a massive drain on the club's resources. Most (if not all) of the funding comes from direct sponsorship and money from the SFA. This money wouldn't be coming into the club at all if we didn't have a youth set up. It isn't taking anything away from the first team and could potentially unearth a superstar. I think for most people the issue is probably that no one from the youth team has been deemed good enough to play for the full team in the last few years other that fleeting camo performances. You need to go back to Bryce and Dingwall for any that were given a decent amount of games 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raith_94 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I'd be loath to throw any youngsters into the side, certainly at home, for fear of our moany-faced* fans getting on their backs. *Irony alert 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whistle Blower Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Ramsay and Baxter of Cowdenbeath are possible signings. I'd take that as gospel 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.C Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I'd be loath to throw any youngsters into the side, certainly at home, for fear of our moany-faced* fans getting on their backs. *Irony alert True tho, i find away trips tend to be better atmospheres and enjoyable than home games. Sad to say but true 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_p Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Raith fans bang on about the youth set up becuase it does not give us any return. To say its not a drain on our resources is totally untrue. 1) 100% of the costs are not covered by the SFA or sponsorship. Some of the operating budget goes on the youths 2) At least some of the money from sponsorship would come to the club even if the youth set up did not exist 3) If it was working properly we would have had players capable of featuring on the bench instead or spending extra cash on loan signing and has beens (who never played for us) 4) We take players on loan who then go back to their parent club and get a chance and become a success. We put players out on loan then free them. 5) we sign other young players who are obviously no better than what we can produce ourselves (but have freed). Colin Cameron is our youth systems only success in the last 25 years. Does that not tell you something. Other clubs like Livi and Hamilton can produce good players why not us? maybe its because they get a chance to play in the SFL and learn from the pro's. Instead our players are held back then released without a chance to learn the game. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_79 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Colin Cameron is our youth systems only success in the last 25 years. Does that not tell you something. A bit harsh.......Stevie Crawford and Jason Dair, and not forgetting Brian Potter (how much did his one appearance make the club). There have been others since, but not as memorable (Dene Shields?) I agree it was nearly twenty years ago, but bringing these guys through the system was when the club started to improve, hopefully this can be the start of something special. Apologies for being positive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raith Against The Machine Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I'd axe the first team before the youth system. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raith1974 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 A bit harsh.......Stevie Crawford and Jason Dair, and not forgetting Brian Potter (how much did his one appearance make the club). There have been others since, but not as memorable (Dene Shields?) I agree it was nearly twenty years ago, but bringing these guys through the system was when the club started to improve, hopefully this can be the start of something special. Apologies for being positive. Stevie Crawford and Jason Dair did not come through our youth system. They signed from Dunfermline and if memory serves me right Davie Sinclair also came from the Pars having been their youth captain. Our youth system for years has sucked, we dont produce any players for the 1st team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_79 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Stevie Crawford and Jason Dair did not come through our youth system. They signed from Dunfermline and if memory serves me right Davie Sinclair also came from the Pars having been their youth captain. Our youth system for years has sucked, we dont produce any players for the 1st team. Disappointed to hear that, they made a mistake not keeping them then. Is it that the gulf between youth and first team is too large? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p&b is a disgrace Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Is it that the gulf between youth and first team is too large? No. Its just that they need to be given opportunities - and allowed to make th eodd mistake without being crucified by the fans and immediately dropped by the manager.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers_Lad Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Raith fans bang on about the youth set up becuase it does not give us any return. To say its not a drain on our resources is totally untrue. 1) 100% of the costs are not covered by the SFA or sponsorship. Some of the operating budget goes on the youths 2) At least some of the money from sponsorship would come to the club even if the youth set up did not exist 3) If it was working properly we would have had players capable of featuring on the bench instead or spending extra cash on loan signing and has beens (who never played for us) 4) We take players on loan who then go back to their parent club and get a chance and become a success. We put players out on loan then free them. 5) we sign other young players who are obviously no better than what we can produce ourselves (but have freed). Colin Cameron is our youth systems only success in the last 25 years. Does that not tell you something. Other clubs like Livi and Hamilton can produce good players why not us? maybe its because they get a chance to play in the SFL and learn from the pro's. Instead our players are held back then released without a chance to learn the game. Agree with much of that.Recollect at a few AGM`s ago it was stated that that running the youth set up was a drain on the finances of the club even with SFA input. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 There's not been much success with our youth team since the Calderon era but in the years before that we sold Derek Niven and Dene and Paul Shields all for more money than we managed to get for the Livi 3. Amazing business considering they'd contributed virtually nothing to the 1st team. Did we not also get money from Hibs for Kevin Nicol? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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