Auld man Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Angry Sandy stands up and says .....” im going nowhere “ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Fitzgerald Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 As much as everyone is disappointed, what did anyone actually expect from this lot? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bainsfordbairn Posted July 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2019 19 minutes ago, falkirkzombie said: i really like Sandy Alexander but i thought today he came across terribly he clearly as a chip on his shoulder and expects the fans to be kissing the ground he walks on. there is no trust Sandy because the MSG kep appointing incompetent boards. This was my first AGM / EGM (thanks for the proxy BPM) so it's the first time I've heard SA speaking before. I thought he came across terribly. He got off to a bad start in his initial speech / rant when he responded to someone who dared criticise the MSG. It sounded a little petulant to me, like the response of a child who's been scolded for the first time ever. Then his "where is the love and the trust?" question, when talking about the actions of the BOD / MSG. Those were his exact words. I was so stunned that I actually noted them in my phone. He literally got drowned out in the shouts of response. He then said that he'd read somewhere about someone who wouldn't renew his ST until the MSG were gone. At which point he said the guy would never be back at TFS, because he at least wasn't going anywhere. I've heard from various folk that SA is a really nice guy but he did himself no favours today. Colin Liddell was better. His underlying message was "we're taking our time to get it right", but his whole tone was of someone speaking for a group whose members want to pass on the baton. Or the majority of them do anyway. That was my reading of his contribution so I still think change will happen. Will be interested to hear if anyone who attended got different vibes from him. He did, however, screw up badly when he tried to use semantics to claim that the MSG only really became an organised group over the last couple of years. A succession of former Bairnstrust boardroom reps lined up to shoot him down in flames. . I thought Brian Guthrie spoke very well, incidentally. He nailed a number of attempted evasions from the panel. I'm a long way short of being his greatest fan but he did well today. Kenny Jamieson played a blinder. Near the end he asked every BOD member individually if they thought they were dysfunctional and all agreed that they were. They basically admitted that they didn't get on, couldn't work together, and didn't communicate properly to each other, never mind the fans. Hence why not a single hand went up to object to the "should the BOD step down" motion. It was carried unanimously by the attendees in the room - and completely outvoted by the MSG. A couple of the jibes from the chairman of the meeting towards the former CEO and Chair pretty much summed the whole thing up for me. If they can't even show solidarity in front of the fans, then what chance is there of them working together for the good of the club? I imagine that would have been a humiliating morning for the BOD attendees. They're finished and they know it. One final point, seeing as it'll probably annoy Marshmallo. KK got several ovations from the room after speaking and seemed to be held in high regard at least by those who offered an opinion. And yes, he has been offered (and rejected) more money to move elsewhere. Several times. 26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinatoon Bairn Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Completely scunnered at this point to be honest, every time I think they are finally going to do the right thing and go they seem to batten down the hatches and drag their heels a bit more. On the whole that EGM seems largely pointless now. Between being absolutely battered by that statement put out by the BtB boys recently and Keith laying into them for a wee while in front of 120ish today you would think they would get the message. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Bainsfordbairn said: This was my first AGM / EGM (thanks for the proxy BPM) so it's the first time I've heard SA speaking before. I thought he came across terribly. He got off to a bad start in his initial speech / rant when he responded to someone who dared criticise the MSG. It sounded a little petulant to me, like the response of a child who's been scolded for the first time ever. Then his "where is the love and the trust?" question, when talking about the actions of the BOD / MSG. Those were his exact words. I was so stunned that I actually noted them in my phone. He literally got drowned out in the shouts of response. He then said that he'd read somewhere about someone who wouldn't renew his ST until the MSG were gone. At which point he said the guy would never be back at TFS, because he at least wasn't going anywhere. I've heard from various folk that SA is a really nice guy but he did himself no favours today. Colin Liddell was better. His underlying message was "we're taking our time to get it right", but his whole tone was of someone speaking for a group whose members want to pass on the baton. Or the majority of them do anyway. That was my reading of his contribution so I still think change will happen. Will be interested to hear if anyone who attended got different vibes from him. He did, however, screw up badly when he tried to use semantics to claim that the MSG only really became an organised group over the last couple of years. A succession of former Bairnstrust boardroom reps lined up to shoot him down in flames. . I thought Brian Guthrie spoke very well, incidentally. He nailed a number of attempted evasions from the panel. I'm a long way short of being his greatest fan but he did well today. Kenny Jamieson played a blinder. Near the end he asked every BOD member individually if they thought they were dysfunctional and all agreed that they were. They basically admitted that they didn't get on, couldn't work together, and didn't communicate properly to each other, never mind the fans. Hence why not a single hand went up to object to the "should the BOD step down" motion. It was carried unanimously by the attendees in the room - and completely outvoted by the MSG. A couple of the jibes from the chairman of the meeting towards the former CEO and Chair pretty much summed the whole thing up for me. If they can't even show solidarity in front of the fans, then what chance is there of them working together for the good of the club? I imagine that would have been a humiliating morning for the BOD attendees. They're finished and they know it. One final point, seeing as it'll probably annoy Marshmallo. KK got several ovations from the room after speaking and seemed to be held in high regard at least by those who offered an opinion. And yes, he has been offered (and rejected) more money to move elsewhere. Several times. Decisions being made out with the bod, statements issued without the bod knowing anything about them.AT as the main finance guy knowing basically hee haw about the actual figures behind the academies demise and knowing nowt till march about the btb proposal basically. A complete and utter shambles. Will be interesting to hear knee jerl reactions thoughts on the whole thing. Edited July 19, 2019 by Shodwall cat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanky_ffc Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 I just can't see why you'd want to continue in a position where you're so publically disliked. Surely you get to a point where you think 'this isn't worth the hassle'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falkirkzombie Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bainsfordbairn said: This was my first AGM / EGM (thanks for the proxy BPM) so it's the first time I've heard SA speaking before. I thought he came across terribly. He got off to a bad start in his initial speech / rant when he responded to someone who dared criticise the MSG. It sounded a little petulant to me, like the response of a child who's been scolded for the first time ever. Then his "where is the love and the trust?" question, when talking about the actions of the BOD / MSG. Those were his exact words. I was so stunned that I actually noted them in my phone. He literally got drowned out in the shouts of response. He then said that he'd read somewhere about someone who wouldn't renew his ST until the MSG were gone. At which point he said the guy would never be back at TFS, because he at least wasn't going anywhere. I've heard from various folk that SA is a really nice guy but he did himself no favours today. Colin Liddell was better. His underlying message was "we're taking our time to get it right", but his whole tone was of someone speaking for a group whose members want to pass on the baton. Or the majority of them do anyway. That was my reading of his contribution so I still think change will happen. Will be interested to hear if anyone who attended got different vibes from him. He did, however, screw up badly when he tried to use semantics to claim that the MSG only really became an organised group over the last couple of years. A succession of former Bairnstrust boardroom reps lined up to shoot him down in flames. . I thought Brian Guthrie spoke very well, incidentally. He nailed a number of attempted evasions from the panel. I'm a long way short of being his greatest fan but he did well today. Kenny Jamieson played a blinder. Near the end he asked every BOD member individually if they thought they were dysfunctional and all agreed that they were. They basically admitted that they didn't get on, couldn't work together, and didn't communicate properly to each other, never mind the fans. Hence why not a single hand went up to object to the "should the BOD step down" motion. It was carried unanimously by the attendees in the room - and completely outvoted by the MSG. A couple of the jibes from the chairman of the meeting towards the former CEO and Chair pretty much summed the whole thing up for me. If they can't even show solidarity in front of the fans, then what chance is there of them working together for the good of the club? I imagine that would have been a humiliating morning for the BOD attendees. They're finished and they know it. One final point, seeing as it'll probably annoy Marshmallo. KK got several ovations from the room after speaking and seemed to be held in high regard at least by those who offered an opinion. And yes, he has been offered (and rejected) more money to move elsewhere. Several times. very well put BB, pretty much agree with all of that. Lex and Andy clearly had a plan to pass the buck on everything onto ML and CC. ML did well and even grabbed the mic to correct Lex (you can just tell she hates him lol) a couple of times, she has clearly made mistakes but i trust her a hell of a lot more that the aforementioned 2. If the BOD or MSG take anything from the meeting, i hope that it's the fans/minor shareholders are not going away and change needs to happen and happen fast. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, lanky_ffc said: I just can't see why you'd want to continue in a position where you're so publically disliked. Surely you get to a point where you think 'this isn't worth the hassle'. Especially when the premise of you being in that position is your love of the club. They are the classic case of the heroes sticking around long enough to become the villains 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, Bainsfordbairn said: One final point, seeing as it'll probably annoy Marshmallo. KK got several ovations from the room after speaking and seemed to be held in high regard at least by those who offered an opinion. And yes, he has been offered (and rejected) more money to move elsewhere. Several times. ^^^ curry club regular -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 24 minutes ago, Believe The Hype said: Ever get the feeling you've been cheated Na, this EGM was never going to pass any resolutions because of the makings of the shareholdings as per what BPM said. The point of this if I was to guess, was to further the BtB agenda and hasten its arrival by dragging their incompetence into the light, in an official and minuted meeting that cant be avoided. Mission accomplished int hat sense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Nederlander Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 I know the chat's rightfully about the EGM but as a wee aside I see Peter Houston has just accepted a role at Celtic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bainsfordbairn Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, falkirkzombie said: Lex and Andy clearly had a plan to pass the buck on everything onto ML and CC. ML did well and even grabbed the mic to correct Lex (you can just tell she hates him lol) a couple of times, she has clearly made mistakes but i trust her a hell of a lot more that the aforementioned 2. I'll probably get flak for this, but I like ML. If you were there today you would have heard some of the panel talking about how hard they work for FFC. I've spent a lot of time around the club in recent years and from what I saw she did more than all the others put together. I always had the impression she was doing it for the right reasons too, rather than just being on an ego trip. I'll be sorry to see her go if she is indeed leaving as SA seemed to infer. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairn Necessities Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 17 minutes ago, Bainsfordbairn said: I'll probably get flak for this, but I like ML. If you were there today you would have heard some of the panel talking about how hard they work for FFC. I've spent a lot of time around the club in recent years and from what I saw she did more than all the others put together. I always had the impression she was doing it for the right reasons too, rather than just being on an ego trip. I'll be sorry to see her go if she is indeed leaving as SA seemed to infer. She's an employment lawyer and oversaw the McKinnon acquisition. That's ludicrous incompetence 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC55 FFC Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 These people aren't going to go easily. The amount of season ticket renewals has somewhat pulled the rug from anyone planning to withhold their custom. I wonder if it is now the time to to simply turn every home game into a protest? Fans not turning up wont be noticed by these people. Constant bombardment of abuse from the stands willThis. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaby The Bairn Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 28 minutes ago, Bainsfordbairn said: I'll probably get flak for this, but I like ML. If you were there today you would have heard some of the panel talking about how hard they work for FFC. I've spent a lot of time around the club in recent years and from what I saw she did more than all the others put together. I always had the impression she was doing it for the right reasons too, rather than just being on an ego trip. I'll be sorry to see her go if she is indeed leaving as SA seemed to infer. Agree - the McKinnon thing was pretty shocking but would rather have her than Lex Miller, Martin Richie et al 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab B Nesbit Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Bairnardo said: These people aren't going to go easily. The amount of season ticket renewals has somewhat pulled the rug from anyone planning to withhold their custom. I wonder if it is now the time to to simply turn every home game into a protest? Fans not turning up wont be noticed by these people. Constant bombardment of abuse from the stands will I didn’t realise that Season Ticket renewals levels had held up. Been there protesting after games and it’s not nice but if the clubs in the wrong hands then needs must. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Just now, Boaby The Bairn said: Agree - the McKinnon thing was pretty shocking but would rather have her than Lex Miller, Martin Richie et al Why should we be willing to accept the lesser of two evils? She was complicit in the villifiying of the fans. Why hasnt she apologised publicly for that? There are varying levels of interest in the business side of the club ranging from not interested to actively pursuing the board via EGMs, but the one thing we ALL have in common is that statement. It should never be allowed to slip past in a blur of business speak that no apology has been made. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champions Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 The BoD/MSG better stay true to their word and issue a public apology re the racism claim. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL-FFC Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 36 minutes ago, Bainsfordbairn said: I'll probably get flak for this, but I like ML. If you were there today you would have heard some of the panel talking about how hard they work for FFC. I've spent a lot of time around the club in recent years and from what I saw she did more than all the others put together. I always had the impression she was doing it for the right reasons too, rather than just being on an ego trip. I'll be sorry to see her go if she is indeed leaving as SA seemed to infer. I got the feeling she was thrown under the bus by the rest of them and basicially she was there to take the fall alongside CC, although saying that CC was pulling the strings for her to take the fall. 18 minutes ago, Bairn Necessities said: She's an employment lawyer and oversaw the McKinnon acquisition. That's ludicrous incompetence They mentioned in the tribunal or what was reported on it at least they would not allow her to represent the case as she was a practising lawyer (how the f**k the SPFL/SFA work that one out i dont know) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaby The Bairn Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Why should we be willing to accept the lesser of two evils? She was complicit in the villifiying of the fans. Why hasnt she apologised publicly for that? There are varying levels of interest in the business side of the club ranging from not interested to actively pursuing the board via EGMs, but the one thing we ALL have in common is that statement. It should never be allowed to slip past in a blur of business speak that no apology has been made. Not saying we should - giving my views on her vs the rest of the clowns and nothing more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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