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With no help whatsoever from visiting fans we have the 13th highest average home attendance in Scotland.

Scottish Football needs a strong Falkirk.

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/scottish-premiership/attendances

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/scottish-championship/attendances

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/scottish-league-one/attendances

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14 hours ago, HoBNob said:

I think you have a bit of hindsight going on there, on the predictions thread they were pretty consistently in the bottom two along with Arbroath. 

QP and Ayr were in the playoffs the season before while Morton were probably the most in form team the second half of last season, I don't think many people would've had Airdrie above them. Of course, Airdrie might not come above them. 

I think, that with McCabe you could argue he's done the best job in the Championship (balancing expectations against results) and along with Imrie they're the two best gaffers in the league. 

If McGlynn goes unbeaten then he absolutely should get it, I'd argue that even if he was to lose a game now he should get it. However I expect it'll go to a premier league manager, if Rangers win it then it'll go to Clement, if they don't then it'll be McInnes or Naismith. Outside chance of it being St Mirren of they make top six. 

I had quick check and the last manager to win the SFWA MoTY who wasn't in the Prem was John Lambie with Partick in 01/02. Their has though been more lower league managers who have won the PFA MoTY

12/13-Allan Johnston when QoTS were in the 3rd tier and got 92 points (2 losses) 

11/12 - Derek Adams when Ross County were in the second tier and got 79 points (1 loss) 

10/11 - John McGlynn when Raith were in the second tier and finished 2nd, they actually only ended up two points in front of yourselves with Presley at the helm. 

Certainly the most reasoned reply I have had and hard to disagree in hindsight. Hopefully one of the old firm doesn’t win it. Even Naismith hasn’t really outperformed expectations. 
 

The biggest shock from this is that QOTS supposedly have a bigger budget than Falkirk. What a shambles of a season they are having if that is the case 

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1 hour ago, Bairn in Exile said:

With no help whatsoever from visiting fans we have the 13th highest average home attendance in Scotland.

Scottish Football needs a strong Falkirk.

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/scottish-premiership/attendances

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/scottish-championship/attendances

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/scottish-league-one/attendances

Considering there’s barely been any significant away numbers at the TFS, (SA & Accies arguably) pretty impressive stats. At least we’ll have decent away numbers next year, which hopefully contributes a decent wedge of the shortfall cash. 

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1 hour ago, Bairn in Exile said:

With no help whatsoever from visiting fans we have the 13th highest average home attendance in Scotland.

Scottish Football needs a strong Falkirk.

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/scottish-premiership/attendances

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/scottish-championship/attendances

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/scottish-league-one/attendances

Very impressive!

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4 hours ago, Bairn in Exile said:

With no help whatsoever from visiting fans we have the 13th highest average home attendance in Scotland.

Scottish Football needs a strong Falkirk.

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/scottish-premiership/attendances

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/scottish-championship/attendances

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/scottish-league-one/attendances

Really interesting, thanks for sharing @Bairn in Exile.

With Arbroath likely to be replacing Falkirk in League 1 its going to mean a big drop in away fans/revenue for clubs in this League. Stenhousemuir coming up in place of Edinburgh will be slightly better at that end but not a significant uplift. If you assume we take an average of 1,000 fans to an away game (sometimes significantly more), twice a season, at say £20 per head that's £40,000 not allowing for add on's like hospitality, sponsorship, food and drink etc. Montrose probably banked more than £50K extra on Saturday alone, which will go a long way to helping their player budget for next season.

Will also be interesting to see how much our home attendances increase next season with more home fans and more away fans. Stadium could be pretty full most weeks, especially if we are challenging at the top end. 

Thinking about next season, I'd really like to see us extend the already excellent free tickets for schools initiative to many more kids at games where we know it won't sell out, especially at that half of the North Stand where smaller away crowds are expected. If we gave away 18,000 free tickets a season (1K on average per home game where space permits) and just 1% of these kids became a fan then that's 180 extra fans every season, potentially for life, not counting if they convince their parents to take them. Also keeps local kids away from the old firm. Worst case scenario we have given local kids a day out and promoted the club in a positive light in the community.

Given the massive success of the ultras, would be great to see the group double for next season (and sit in the middle of the south stand behind the goals). I know its early days but are there any plans for growing the ultras/flags/drums etc?

Final thing, would be great to see the brilliant and much appreciated Falkirk TV move to the other east side to take highlights so they show the crowds/atmosphere rather than the vast emptiness. With viewing figures going up, the team doing well, in a bigger and better league, this would surely help promote the club to even more sponsors and fans? A semi-permanent platform with toilet and decent broadband connection etc surely should be doable for the guys if that's the issue? In the Championship we might feature on mainstream TV more too so no having to build these things ad hoc. I'm guessing there's probably a logical reason I haven't thought of why the Main Stand is always used?

Either way, new signings aside, I'm looking forward to all the off field positive ideas that will come out between now and next season (that, per above, don't necessarily cost any or much money).

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It’s a shame we’re losing these 5:30 Saturday Alba slots, replaced with 7:45 Friday night bbc Scotland. Can imagine quite a few of our early season games will be then 

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I've enjoyed the 5:30 Saturday slots. I did enjoy going to the Friday night games when we were last in the Championship (mainly cause I could make them due to work). I'll be happy having them back; it always seems like a great game on a Friday

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59 minutes ago, bridge of allan bairn said:

Really interesting, thanks for sharing @Bairn in Exile.

With Arbroath likely to be replacing Falkirk in League 1 its going to mean a big drop in away fans/revenue for clubs in this League. Stenhousemuir coming up in place of Edinburgh will be slightly better at that end but not a significant uplift. If you assume we take an average of 1,000 fans to an away game (sometimes significantly more), twice a season, at say £20 per head that's £40,000 not allowing for add on's like hospitality, sponsorship, food and drink etc. Montrose probably banked more than £50K extra on Saturday alone, which will go a long way to helping their player budget for next season.

Will also be interesting to see how much our home attendances increase next season with more home fans and more away fans. Stadium could be pretty full most weeks, especially if we are challenging at the top end. 

Thinking about next season, I'd really like to see us extend the already excellent free tickets for schools initiative to many more kids at games where we know it won't sell out, especially at that half of the North Stand where smaller away crowds are expected. If we gave away 18,000 free tickets a season (1K on average per home game where space permits) and just 1% of these kids became a fan then that's 180 extra fans every season, potentially for life, not counting if they convince their parents to take them. Also keeps local kids away from the old firm. Worst case scenario we have given local kids a day out and promoted the club in a positive light in the community.

Given the massive success of the ultras, would be great to see the group double for next season (and sit in the middle of the south stand behind the goals). I know its early days but are there any plans for growing the ultras/flags/drums etc?

Final thing, would be great to see the brilliant and much appreciated Falkirk TV move to the other east side to take highlights so they show the crowds/atmosphere rather than the vast emptiness. With viewing figures going up, the team doing well, in a bigger and better league, this would surely help promote the club to even more sponsors and fans? A semi-permanent platform with toilet and decent broadband connection etc surely should be doable for the guys if that's the issue? In the Championship we might feature on mainstream TV more too so no having to build these things ad hoc. I'm guessing there's probably a logical reason I haven't thought of why the Main Stand is always used?

Either way, new signings aside, I'm looking forward to all the off field positive ideas that will come out between now and next season (that, per above, don't necessarily cost any or much money).

This. Absolutely brilliant post, Let’s do this.

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1 hour ago, bridge of allan bairn said:

Really interesting, thanks for sharing @Bairn in Exile.

With Arbroath likely to be replacing Falkirk in League 1 its going to mean a big drop in away fans/revenue for clubs in this League. Stenhousemuir coming up in place of Edinburgh will be slightly better at that end but not a significant uplift. If you assume we take an average of 1,000 fans to an away game (sometimes significantly more), twice a season, at say £20 per head that's £40,000 not allowing for add on's like hospitality, sponsorship, food and drink etc. Montrose probably banked more than £50K extra on Saturday alone, which will go a long way to helping their player budget for next season.

Will also be interesting to see how much our home attendances increase next season with more home fans and more away fans. Stadium could be pretty full most weeks, especially if we are challenging at the top end. 

Thinking about next season, I'd really like to see us extend the already excellent free tickets for schools initiative to many more kids at games where we know it won't sell out, especially at that half of the North Stand where smaller away crowds are expected. If we gave away 18,000 free tickets a season (1K on average per home game where space permits) and just 1% of these kids became a fan then that's 180 extra fans every season, potentially for life, not counting if they convince their parents to take them. Also keeps local kids away from the old firm. Worst case scenario we have given local kids a day out and promoted the club in a positive light in the community.

Given the massive success of the ultras, would be great to see the group double for next season (and sit in the middle of the south stand behind the goals). I know its early days but are there any plans for growing the ultras/flags/drums etc?

Final thing, would be great to see the brilliant and much appreciated Falkirk TV move to the other east side to take highlights so they show the crowds/atmosphere rather than the vast emptiness. With viewing figures going up, the team doing well, in a bigger and better league, this would surely help promote the club to even more sponsors and fans? A semi-permanent platform with toilet and decent broadband connection etc surely should be doable for the guys if that's the issue? In the Championship we might feature on mainstream TV more too so no having to build these things ad hoc. I'm guessing there's probably a logical reason I haven't thought of why the Main Stand is always used?

Either way, new signings aside, I'm looking forward to all the off field positive ideas that will come out between now and next season (that, per above, don't necessarily cost any or much money).

Great post !

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4 hours ago, Aufc said:

The biggest shock from this is that QOTS supposedly have a bigger budget than Falkirk. What a shambles of a season they are having if that is the case 

Says who? It's undeniably been a shambles of a season. We should as a minimum, have been in the promotion playoffs and not still looking over our shoulder. The idea we have a bigger budget than Falkirk though sounds nonsense. I'd imagine we'll also be behind Hamilton.

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3 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

Says who? It's undeniably been a shambles of a season. We should as a minimum, have been in the promotion playoffs and not still looking over our shoulder. The idea we have a bigger budget than Falkirk though sounds nonsense. I'd imagine we'll also be behind Hamilton.

The first poster on this topic got mixed up I think, it's Hamilton and Cove that we have less than allegedly

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16 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

Says who? It's undeniably been a shambles of a season. We should as a minimum, have been in the promotion playoffs and not still looking over our shoulder. The idea we have a bigger budget than Falkirk though sounds nonsense. I'd imagine we'll also be behind Hamilton.

There's a persistent rumour that Falkirk have the third biggest budget in the league, which I'm incredibly dubious about. I don't imagine Cove will come close to Falkirk and Hamilton's outlay either so it gives me a chuckle whenever someone says it.

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21 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

Says who? It's undeniably been a shambles of a season. We should as a minimum, have been in the promotion playoffs and not still looking over our shoulder. The idea we have a bigger budget than Falkirk though sounds nonsense. I'd imagine we'll also be behind Hamilton.

He’s being silly, there is no way QOS had a higher budget tan Falkirk, Hamilton Cove maybe more ? There is no doubt the Bartley project went badly wrong ( which no one wanted ) It’s going to be a hell of a fighting finish though. 

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4 hours ago, Bairn in Exile said:

With no help whatsoever from visiting fans we have the 13th highest average home attendance in Scotland.

Scottish Football needs a strong Falkirk.

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/scottish-premiership/attendances

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/scottish-championship/attendances

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/scottish-league-one/attendances

And here's that list of the 12 in front adjusted for an average of 1-200 away supporters like what we have had this season:

1. Celtic 58,000
2. The Rangers 48,500
3. Hearts 18,000
5. Aberdeen 15,500
6. Hibs 15,000
6. Dundee United 7,500
7. Dundee 5,200
8. St Mirren 5,000
9. Dunfermline 5,000
10. Falkirk 4,600
11. Kilmarnock 4,500
12. Motherwell 4,000
13. St Johnstone 2,800

St Mirren's crowds are up a fair bit because of the season they're having, five seasons in league 1 and they'd be getting half of that like they were when they were struggling in the Championship. 

Dunfermline's figure gives us a realistic idea of what we can expect next season.

Raith would knock St Johnstone off 13th spot based on home fans only, as would Partick Thistle 

 

 

 

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37 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

Says who? It's undeniably been a shambles of a season. We should as a minimum, have been in the promotion playoffs and not still looking over our shoulder. The idea we have a bigger budget than Falkirk though sounds nonsense. I'd imagine we'll also be behind Hamilton.

I’d imagine you’re correct. 

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25 minutes ago, LeodhasXD said:

There's a persistent rumour that Falkirk have the third biggest budget in the league, which I'm incredibly dubious about. I don't imagine Cove will come close to Falkirk and Hamilton's outlay either so it gives me a chuckle whenever someone says it.

Both Cove and Hamilton are operating higher football budgets than Falkirk, this was confirmed by their own directors at TFS. In fact there are players at Cove still on part time contracts earning more than any of falkirks full time players. 

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1 hour ago, bridge of allan bairn said:

Really interesting, thanks for sharing @Bairn in Exile.

With Arbroath likely to be replacing Falkirk in League 1 its going to mean a big drop in away fans/revenue for clubs in this League. Stenhousemuir coming up in place of Edinburgh will be slightly better at that end but not a significant uplift. If you assume we take an average of 1,000 fans to an away game (sometimes significantly more), twice a season, at say £20 per head that's £40,000 not allowing for add on's like hospitality, sponsorship, food and drink etc. Montrose probably banked more than £50K extra on Saturday alone, which will go a long way to helping their player budget for next season.

Will also be interesting to see how much our home attendances increase next season with more home fans and more away fans. Stadium could be pretty full most weeks, especially if we are challenging at the top end. 

Thinking about next season, I'd really like to see us extend the already excellent free tickets for schools initiative to many more kids at games where we know it won't sell out, especially at that half of the North Stand where smaller away crowds are expected. If we gave away 18,000 free tickets a season (1K on average per home game where space permits) and just 1% of these kids became a fan then that's 180 extra fans every season, potentially for life, not counting if they convince their parents to take them. Also keeps local kids away from the old firm. Worst case scenario we have given local kids a day out and promoted the club in a positive light in the community.

Given the massive success of the ultras, would be great to see the group double for next season (and sit in the middle of the south stand behind the goals). I know its early days but are there any plans for growing the ultras/flags/drums etc?

Final thing, would be great to see the brilliant and much appreciated Falkirk TV move to the other east side to take highlights so they show the crowds/atmosphere rather than the vast emptiness. With viewing figures going up, the team doing well, in a bigger and better league, this would surely help promote the club to even more sponsors and fans? A semi-permanent platform with toilet and decent broadband connection etc surely should be doable for the guys if that's the issue? In the Championship we might feature on mainstream TV more too so no having to build these things ad hoc. I'm guessing there's probably a logical reason I haven't thought of why the Main Stand is always used?

Either way, new signings aside, I'm looking forward to all the off field positive ideas that will come out between now and next season (that, per above, don't necessarily cost any or much money).

under 12s already get a free season ticket don't they?  We could send out a periodical reminder of this to the schools every month?  

 

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