Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[Granny Danger]

Arbroath have finally released a statement...

So our statement is that we will be making no statement. At least we've got something! I sent my views in, which were basically a 2000 word rehash of this thread.

Did it occur to you that something shorter might be more effective?

[xbl]

Did it occur to you that something shorter might be more effective?

Yes...but it got a bit out of hand!

[PeeTeeJag]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/sfl/2012/07/06/rangers-in-crisis-sfa-won-t-give-sfl-clubs-option-to-vote-newco-into-division-three-says-stenhousemuir-chief-bill-darroch-86908-23905082/

Sorry if this has been posted before, but I've just read it.

If this is the case then it is an absolute disgrace that the SFL clubs are being held to ransom like this.

[Granny Danger]

But all the other chairmen are as bad, if just a bit more sleekit. They would surely have voted the Zombie Rangers straight back into the SPL - but the prospect of the bulk of their customers saying 'Do that and WE are walking away' forced them to cast ZR out - only to start coming on heavy to the SFL to slot them into division one and minimise the prospective loss. Integrity my arse.

edit - SFL not SLF. I wish someone would 'Listen'

Think you're being a bit harsh. We wanted the SPL chairmen to vote no to newco and they did. We must now try to support the SFL clubs in their endeavours to stop newco getting into Division 1. That means telling the SPL chairmen that anything they do to assist in any shenanigans will be met by the same opposition that er had previously pledged. This is an incremental fight and it is going our way.

[Broccoli Dog]

So our statement is that we will be making no statement. At least we've got something! I sent my views in, which were basically a 2000 word rehash of this thread.

That'll be getting pinned to the office wall no doubt.

[Granny Danger]

Yes...but it got a bit out of hand!

It is one man's View and he's talking pish. What he's effectively saying is that an employee of an organisation is going to tell his employers what they can and cannot do. Anyone who believes that should not open letters from Nigerian banks.

[Sting777]

http://www.dailyreco. ..86908-23905082/

Sorry if this has been posted before, but I've just read it.

If this is the case then it is an absolute disgrace that the SFL clubs are being held to ransom like this.

Nothing surprising there PTJ....we all know its gonna be a stitch up, I am not even sure why they are having a vote. If it goes as planned, there will be 5 less, life long jags supporters at Firhill.....and that will be forever not just for next season!!

Edited July 7, 2012 by Sting777

[Highlandmagyar]

Nothing surprising there PTJ....we all know its gonna be a stitch up, I am not even sure why they are having a vote. If it goes as planned, there will be 5 less, life long supporters at Firhill.....and that will be forever not just for a season!!

Whats the guessing it will be a significant amount that will eventually KILL Thistle. Next season in SFL1 is worthless except for relegation as Newco, no matter how little they think they will have , will still have significantly more resources than any other club and rip through the league.And of course you have the authorities ensuring that they come up. Referees anyone?

[PeeTeeJag]

Nothing surprising there PTJ....we all know its gonna be a stitch up, I am not even sure why they are having a vote. If it goes as planned, there will be 5 less, life long jags supporters at Firhill.....and that will be forever not just for next season!!

For me it would all depend on how my club voted. If they vote them into the SFL1 then there is no point in going back to Firhill as I can't support a team that would rather sell it's soul than listen to the fans.

[PeeTeeJag]

Whats the guessing it will be a significant amount that will eventually KILL Thistle. Next season in SFL1 is worthless except for relegation as Newco, no matter how little they think they will have , will still have significantly more resources than any other club and rip through the league.And of course you have the authorities ensuring that they come up. Referees anyone?

One complaint that is made by both sides of the OF is that during cup games when they play lower league teams they get kicked from one end of the pitch to the other. Well guess what? It's gonna happen game after game after game next season.

I know if I was playing in the SFL the first time I would play against rankers 2.0 at least two of them would end up in the front row of the stand after 5 minutes. Just as a wee "Welcome to the SFL" you understand.

[Ross.]

One complaint that is made by both sides of the OF is that during cup games when they play lower league teams they get kicked from one end of the pitch to the other. Well guess what? It's gonna happen game after game after game next season.

I know if I was playing in the SFL the first time I would play against rankers 2.0 at least two of them would end up in the front row of the stand after 5 minutes. Just as a wee "Welcome to the SFL" you understand.

Lee McCulloch for Player of the Year is a stick on then.

[L. Brilliant]

It's not for me to decide who can post what - but really, have we learned nothing from this?

Daily Record articles should not be appearing on this thread as a credible news source.

[Wings Over Scotland]

Debunking the "SPL2" myth, and some others:

http://wingsland.podgamer.com/straightening-the-record/

[WBR]

In the unlikely event that Sevco are in Div 1 or any imposed SPL2, can I suggest any dissenting opponents simply sit down in protest. It would be more legitimate than Sevco's participation. I expect this would attract widespread attention and would make for interesting viewing figures for any broadcaster. Live Sevco away games in an empty stadium against a seated opposition. Sell that dream to us, Sky.

This wouldn't be in the spirit of the (by this time, dead) game so would be perfectly in step with the authorities' current (currant?) philosophy.

[Hannibal Lecturer]

One complaint that is made by both sides of the OF is that during cup games when they play lower league teams they get kicked from one end of the pitch to the other. Well guess what? It's gonna happen game after game after game next season.

I know if I was playing in the SFL the first time I would play against rankers 2.0 at least two of them would end up in the front row of the stand after 5 minutes. Just as a wee "Welcome to the SFL" you understand.

You can bet your fcuking boots they won't get it easy in whatever league the SFA decide to put them in. Careful what you wish for fat sally.

[PeeTeeJag]

http://blogs.dailyrecord.co.uk/markhateley/2012/07/ally-mccoist-must-forget-divis.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheDailyRecord%2FMarkHateley+%28The+Daily+Record+-+Mark+Hateley%29

What gives this clown the right to talk about scottish football???? He played for 7 years in Scotland 15 years ago!!!

The drivel he spouts is yet again more proof that this mob need punted. And yet they still can't see why we want shot of them. The Daily Retard drags out these guys over and over again like Sandy "I'm posting my medals back second class" Jardine, and John "look at me I'm on the tele" Brown.

Why????

I used to work in the banking sector about 10 years ago, doe that mean I can expect the media to ask my opinion on the banking crisis and for people to listen?" Ofcourse not. But it seems as usual our media still pander to the lowest form of life who follow rankers.

I was stopped in govan the other week by a reporter and photographer that wanted to know what I thought of Charles Green and why I thought other clubs were being vindictive to rangers. The first thing I said was that I was a Jags fan, and before I could say anything else he said...........

"What's a jags fan doing here? Sorry, we're just looking for rangers fans."

And they wonder why we want them to GTF.

[Highlandmagyar]

Lee McCulloch for Player of the Year is a stick on then.

But weve got Hugh Murray!!!

[Jagsman411971]

http://www.dailyreco. ..86908-23905082/

Sorry if this has been posted before, but I've just read it.

If this is the case then it is an absolute disgrace that the SFL clubs are being held to ransom like this.

This whole saga has just been like an extended version of "Call my Bluff". Since the beginning, all we have had, has been a never-ending procession of people telling us that "We cant do that"

"We cant refuse the CVA"

"We cant let Rangers die"

"We cant have an SPL without Rangers/Newco"

"We cant survive without Rangers/Newco"

All these statements have been listened to, and rejected. So now we have another,

"We cant have Newco in the 3rd division"

It is now up to the chairmen of the SFL to continue "calling the bluff" of the doom-mongers, and say;

"We can, and we will"

[Sting777]

Not sure if this has been posted on here or whether its true or not but these are stated to be the minutes from the RFFF meeting on the 4th July!! Dear oh dear! They want Div 3/we want Div 3....whats the fecking problem???

Subject: This is not a wind up. These are apparently genuine minutes! Absolutely unbelieveable!

Meeting 4 July 2012

Sandy Jardine welcomed all to the meeting and introduced the top table.

The results of the RFFF poll showed an overwhelming desire (76%) from the fans out of almost 20,000 polled to play in Division 3. A straw poll was taken in the room; the result again reflected an overwhelming support for Division 3.

The entire Rangers board then entered the meeting, introduced themselves and explained roughly what they had done in the past.

Malcolm Murray wants to rebuild the club. All assets are owned by Sevco Scotland. Craig Whyte is definitely not involved, sworn statements have been lodged with relevant bodies including the SFA regarding this.

Charles Green talked about 'balanced shareholding' – no individual person would have control of the club again. He said everyone 'outside of this room' and the people we represent is Anti-Rangers.

The board stated that £11 million has been raised so far and injected into the club. They reckon there is roughly £3 million working capital, with more money coming in over the next couple of weeks.

John Brown asked the panel if they were still going to have £30 million available by mid-July. Charles Green said that figure was expected given while they expected a CVA to be agreed. The board were confident that more money and more investment was coming into the club and that the targets would be met.

A representative from Rangers Unite asked the board "What would you see as an exit price?" Imran replied that he believed on a bad day the club was worth £50 million.

There is currently £3 million in the bank account and an expected £2.6 million coming in over the next two weeks. This further investment is guaranteed and they have legal documents to prove so.

A Rangers Standard representative asked Charles Green to read out the names of the current shareholders. A number of names were read out and it was revealed that the major shareholder is Blue Pitch Holdings with 23%, which would be getting diluted to between 10 and 15% when the other investors come on board. Ian Hart was discussed as the questioner stated that he previously said he wasn't an investor – the reasons for this were explained by CG.

CG stated the club would be floated on the Stock Market giving fans the chance to own shares in the club.

Vanguard Bears member and representative from RTID NI asked how CG feels about the fans overwhelming wishes to go to Division 3. Charles Green responded with "I have publicly said that I would accept that."

Charles Green referred to the players that had left as turncoats. Alan McGregor was the only one to call Sandy Jardine afterwards, with Jardine also mentioning ex Celtic PR ma Peter McLean as being Steven Naismith's agent.

CG expects criminal charges to be brought to the previous regime.

CG was asked if the possibility of playing in England exists and if he made an attempt at buying Bury FC. He responded that he was attracted by Bury and hoped to mention the club along with Rangers. Unfortunately distance was going to be a problem, as after Wimbledon became MK Dons the football league changed its rules to state that any merger between two clubs could only happen if the clubs were within roughly 60 miles of each other.

He also looked at the possibility of buying Carlisle, but believes we cannot merge with an English club. We would have to start at the bottom of the conference if we were to go to England.

A supporter asked when the current money in the club would run out without further investment. No answer was given. The same supporter was asked later to view the Club assets documents (the one's Findlay wants to see), but declined the offer.

A representative from Denny then informed the panel that he had four reasons why we should go into Division 3. First he believed it would test Charles Green resolve; secondly he believed it would show the benefit of Auchenhowie and allow the management team to gain experience. Third, it would galvanise and unite the Rangers support, and lastly it would allow us to move on and concentrate on defeating the SNP's fight for independence.

Malcolm Murray stated that the process for changing the name of Murray Park is underway.

John Brown and Andy Goram both asked if Donald Findlay QC could see the title deeds of the club, Brian Stockbridge, the club accountant, told John Brown to give him a call and they would set up a meeting where Donald Findlay could see the title deeds. This didn't seem enough for Brown, he believed that a secure location had to be set up because Donald Findlay didn't want people to know that his name had been mentioned, even though John Brown mentioned it on numerous occasions.

John Brown then claimed that a friend of his offered £11 million for the club before Charles Green's consortium and that Duff and Phelps had rejected it or ignored it. This was debunked and denied by the board.

Brian Stockbridge twice explained the financial situation to Brown which appeared to go in one ear and out the other….

Charles Green left the meeting to attend another meeting with our enemies.

Various supporters took to the floor offering best wishes to Ally McCoist, stating they would be renewing their Season Tickets as there was no alternative.

Questions to Ally McCoist :

Q – Will you be asking the fans to renew their ST's?

A – Ally said he couldn't ask the fans to renew ST's as he didn't know which players would be there or where we would be playing and he wouldn't want it on his conscience that our hard-earned cash was being spent on something he couldn't guarantee. Also, he didn't have full trust in the current board for two reasons; he hasn't known them long enough yet and because of the actions of the previous incumbents.

Q – If you were at our (the supporters) side of the table would you buy a ST?

A – Ally responded, "In a heartbeat….."

Q – Would the manager prefer Division I or Division 3?

A – Ally replied that he felt his duty as the manager was to carry out the fans wishes, if 80% of them wanted Division 3 then he would be 100% behind that. He said that only six first-team players turned up for training plus all the kids. He was unsure if Edu, Bocanegra and Goian would return from their extended break.

Q – It was reported in the rags that you were resigning from the club, was that the case?

A – It was explained by Ally that he had a fall out with CG – things like that happen, but never at any time was he for walking away.

John Brown was then asked to take the microphone for 10 mins – which turned into almost 30. Virtually nothing of the way forward for Rangers was discussed. He was prompted to come to the top table by RFFF Chairman to view the relevant documentation to satisfy his demands, which he declined. The meeting was then informed by Chairman McCormick that he was Brown's accountant, which brought about many wry smiles from those assembled.

Sandy Jardine then informed the meeting before closing that there will be another RFFF meeting convened soon to discuss the position of the RFFF and funds within it.

Edited July 7, 2012 by Sting777

[Baxter Parp]

http://www.dailyreco...86908-23905082/

Sorry if this has been posted before, but I've just read it.

If this is the case then it is an absolute disgrace that the SFL clubs are being held to ransom like this.

Don't vote them in at all then.