Baxter Parp Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 So it doesn't matter what the facts are then. Because he'd only ignore them or say that the facts are biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Its only my view, a view shared by about 65% of the nation that's against independence, I am sensing an enormous petted lip, when this poll is defeated Some of us actually do research rather than stick to ignorant beliefs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sons superhero Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Because he'd only ignore them or say that the facts are biased. Sorry had to edit it further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 You can vote Labour in an independent Scotland, if you want. Or Tory. See, that's what doesn't add up. I understand that there are people who say "Independence first, sort out the rest later", but that just leads to the SNP saying anything at all to get support. I don't for a second believe the SNP would lower corporation tax - far too many of their senior figures would baulk at such a prospect and a lot of the support they've taken from Labour in recent years would throw a hissy fit. So the SNP are to all intents and purposes, lying. They flip-flop around like newly caught fish - on NATO, on the EU, on the Euro, on the Pound, who knows what they'll say tomorrow? All the parties are lying, self-serving, undemocratic structures but the consequences of voting for independence based on the pie-in-the-sky promises of the SNP are a step too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 My 6 points are valid, the error was on the 1979 vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sons superhero Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 My 6 points are valid, the error was on the 1979 vote So your not open to be convinced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirez Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 I would go back to the point I made earlier in the thread that this discussion fits perfectly for a football forum. A lot of people will pick their political allegiances much like their fitba teams and then stick by them through thick and thin no matter. The lad ecto has clearly made his mind up already and no amount of facts and figures will change that. Anyone who has done the slightest bit of research will know that his reasons are absolute shite but again thats blind loyalty for you I would say to anyone who isn't so gullible, to take their time an look at what each side is actually offering - If people do this then come the referendum, I'm confident it will be a resounding YES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 no chance, will be a happy day for me when Salmond is humiliated next October and rides off into the main stand at Tynecastle or Ayr races Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Bojangles Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 My 6 points are valid, the error was on the 1979 vote Can you explain your reasoning beyond a skin deep "I'm not sure" that can't be explained by you simply not reading anything about the subject you're not sure about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 As a fellow sci-fi film fan I can only applaud the FM for his knowledge on the subject So Salmonds charming and likes Star Trek. So what. You think most politicians don't appear that way when chatting about their hobby or passion outside politics. Pointless YouTube clips. He is still scared of facing Darling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 I would suggest that the two sides in this debate are miles apart, I am firm in my views and I have heard nothing that will change my mind, I now have my life to get on with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sons superhero Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 I would suggest that the two sides in this debate are miles apart, I am firm in my views and I have heard nothing that will change my mind, I now have my life to get on with Great thanks for that, I'm sure we'll miss your debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirez Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Salmond is the elected First Minister of Scotland. It is only right that he goes head to head with the elected Prime Minister of the UK on this matter. It says it all when Cameron won't answer that challenge.....He is after all our PM as well Darling is the front man for a pressure group that would like Scotland to remain in the UK....nothing more. His level would be someone like Elaine C Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Salmond is the elected First Minister of Scotland. It is only right that he goes head to head with the elected Prime Minister of the UK on this matter. It says it all when Cameron won't answer that challenge.....He is after all our PM as well Darling is the front man for a pressure group that would like Scotland to remain in the UK....nothing more. His level would be someone like Elaine C Smith Nah.Excuses Ollie (by the way,there's an article on Stan & Ollies Scotland connection on the BBC News Website today). Chair of the BT group is clearly the one for Salmond to 'fight'. Everyone sees Salmonds game,he's avoiding confrontation because he knows he has not enough 'ammo'. He'll come out from the bunker nearer Sept 2014 when there is little or no time for his competitors to 'hit back'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Salmond is the elected First Minister of Scotland. It is only right that he goes head to head with the elected Prime Minister of the UK on this matter. It says it all when Cameron won't answer that challenge.....He is after all our PM as well Darling is the front man for a pressure group that would like Scotland to remain in the UK....nothing more. His level would be someone like Elaine C Smith Would you expect Cameron to do a head-to-head debate with the head of Yorkshire County Council? Salmond stakes a lot on his economist background. A debate with a former Chancellor would be interesting and a great opportunity for him to forcefully nail the financial case for independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthAyrshireKillie Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Would you expect Cameron to do a head-to-head debate with the head of Yorkshire County Council? Salmond stakes a lot on his economist background. A debate with a former Chancellor would be interesting and a great opportunity for him to forcefully nail the financial case for independence. But Yorkshire county council isn't trying to leave the Union Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 But Yorkshire county council isn't trying to leave the Union Yorkshire has an independence movement too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthAyrshireKillie Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Yorkshire has an independence movement too Then I wish them well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Then I wish them well That will end in utter failure, just like this Scottish effort has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthAyrshireKillie Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 That will end in utter failure, just like this Scottish effort has. You are such a ray of sunshine Ric Personally, I cant understand why the entire north of England aren't seeking separation from the south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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