banterman86 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 UNless Yes Scotland change the story, Lamont can got o Perth next month and not have to offer any kind bauble about extra devolution. I suspect the further devo aspect will be a card played in the summer - perhaps common ground found between the 3 unionist proposals, which can be sold with "the added safety of the pound" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 She can quite clearly speak within her remit on policy areas already devolved. Would this be the same 'remit' that had a previous leader slithering back from calling for a referendum, because London said no? I'm sure we're all champing at the bit to hear her innovative ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Would this be the same 'remit' that had a previous leader slithering back from calling for a referendum, because London said no? Well, no, it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 What, specifically, is her 'remit' then, and how has she secured her position from the interference of her paymasters in London? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 What, specifically, is her 'remit' then, and how has she secured her position from the interference of her paymasters in London? The role of the "leader" of Scottish Labour changed after 2011. I am not aware of the details but her "remit" is not the same one enjoyed by Wendy Alexander and Iain Gray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 The role of the "leader" of Scottish Labour changed after 2011. I am not aware of the details but her "remit" is not the same one enjoyed by Wendy Alexander and Iain Gray. Changed in what way; what evidence is there to show that Lamont has any greater power than the beige mouth-pieces before her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 The role of the "leader" of Scottish Labour changed after 2011. I am not aware of the details but her "remit" is not the same one enjoyed by Wendy Alexander and Iain Gray. She won't be able to make any guarantees about UK Labour policy if we vote No She doesn't have that authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I suspect the further devo aspect will be a card played in the summer - perhaps common ground found between the 3 unionist proposals, which can be sold with "the added safety of the pound" If it looks like they have killed it with the 'no currency union' gambit, why even bother offering anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 If it looks like they have killed it with the 'no currency union' gambit, why even bother offering anything? No currency union in the event of a yes vote. That doesn't affect any fannying around with devolution in the event of a no vote does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 No currency union in the event of a yes vote. That doesn't affect any fannying around with devolution in the event of a no vote does it? Further meaningful devolution is only an option in the event of the Union feeling threatened enough to offer it. If Osborne and Balls have succesfully 'saved' the Union today, then there is absolutely no reason for them to offer diluting their own powers to gift them to Holyrood, none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 If it looks like they have killed it with the 'no currency union' gambit, why even bother offering anything? To offer a "postive future for Scotland" and all that jazz. If today was the stick then this is potentially the carrot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 To offer a "postive future for Scotland" and all that jazz. If today was the stick then this is potentially the carrot. Only if they think they need the carrot, if they don't, it's no veggies for Dobbins the Donkey (to further mangle the metaphor). At the most, they'll offer a conversation about a committee that might meet (or might even be a philisophical abstract, not meant to be taken literally) to further discuss options for possiblities for the further devolution of planning laws regarding the positioning of phone poles. The one thing, the only thing, that could ever inspire westmisnter to consider a 'positive future for Scotland' would be a threat to the dissolution of the union itself. Otherwise, the standard line is a strong Scotland in a United Kingdom, by which they mean Westminster in charge, becuase strength comes from the centre: it's one of the strong areas of agreement between Labour and the Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Nomad Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I notice STV are to hold an independence debate between Nicola Sturgeon & Johann Lamont. Is that particularly wise given the obvious mismatch here, especially with Lamont unscripted? Sturgeon may have got a hard time from Andrew Neil today, but this has one way traffic written all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBamboo Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 The role of the "leader" of Scottish Labour changed after 2011. I am not aware of the details but her "remit" is not the same one enjoyed by Wendy Alexander and Iain Gray. Am I correct in thinking that Scottish Labour should be more correctly know as The Labour Party in Scotland? I think I read that somewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islay Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I read this weeks Dunfermline press where the youth group Synchronicity were interviewed with regards to the Independence debate. Below are a few quotes from those interviewed: Kathleen (St Columba's): "What if there was a war? Who would help us, we would be on our own. In Second Year at St Columba's all of this isn't really discussed much - either in the playground or classes. Someone was talking about a girl being bullied at School - I think that's horrible - but I suppose that's what could happen if it was a YES vote. I think we should just stay as we are" Mehak (Dunfermline High): "It doesn't make any sense to me. I have studied this in Modern Studies. One of the things I thought was weird was that if we went for Independence we would then apply to join the EU - it doesn't make sense to me to come out of one partnership to become independent and then join another - why?" Stuart (Queen Ann High): "I feel like it's all a big publicity stunt to try and rub it in the face of the English that we can do this alone but what is this actually going to achieve? Sixth year in school talk politics at lunch and we feel that people that are voting YES are just being patriotic and haven't researched into the rights and wrongs of it all" Megan (Dunfermline High): " I have heard that people saying if we get the YES vote then they will be moving to England so as not to face an economic downturn especially when belts are already tight. I don't think it would be a good idea yo mix things up" And my favourite is Jack (Dunfermline High): " We heard that if Scotland became independent and joined the EU, anyone in the EU could travel into Scotland so how would we control that? I mean, how many people can they fit into our country? Would we say, 'Sorry, we are full - you can't get in'? So I would be voting NO, I know a few folk voting YES but the majority of folk I know are voting NO" Wow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFAANW Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I read this weeks Dunfermline press where the youth group Synchronicity were interviewed with regards to the Independence debate. Below are a few quotes from those interviewed: Kathleen (St Columba's): "What if there was a war? Who would help us, we would be on our own. In Second Year at St Columba's all of this isn't really discussed much - either in the playground or classes. Someone was talking about a girl being bullied at School - I think that's horrible - but I suppose that's what could happen if it was a YES vote. I think we should just stay as we are" Mehak (Dunfermline High): "It doesn't make any sense to me. I have studied this in Modern Studies. One of the things I thought was weird was that if we went for Independence we would then apply to join the EU - it doesn't make sense to me to come out of one partnership to become independent and then join another - why?" Stuart (Queen Ann High): "I feel like it's all a big publicity stunt to try and rub it in the face of the English that we can do this alone but what is this actually going to achieve? Sixth year in school talk politics at lunch and we feel that people that are voting YES are just being patriotic and haven't researched into the rights and wrongs of it all" Megan (Dunfermline High): " I have heard that people saying if we get the YES vote then they will be moving to England so as not to face an economic downturn especially when belts are already tight. I don't think it would be a good idea yo mix things up" And my favourite is Jack (Dunfermline High): " We heard that if Scotland became independent and joined the EU, anyone in the EU could travel into Scotland so how would we control that? I mean, how many people can they fit into our country? Would we say, 'Sorry, we are full - you can't get in'? So I would be voting NO, I know a few folk voting YES but the majority of folk I know are voting NO" Wow... Kids in school are fucking stupid tbf. Trust me i know from experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 'No cross-party plan' on devolution http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26189448 There will be no cross-party announcement on further devolution for Scotland before the referendum, the leader of the Scottish Conservatives has said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I notice STV are to hold an independence debate between Nicola Sturgeon & Johann Lamont. Is that particularly wise given the obvious mismatch here, especially with Lamont unscripted? Sturgeon may have got a hard time from Andrew Neil today, but this has one way traffic written all over it. That will be good, thanks for the heads up. http://news.stv.tv/politics/263966-scotland-tonight-nicola-sturgeon-and-johann-lamont-to-debate-referendum/ Show her how, Nicola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Any update on wee Joann from The Scheme's missing remit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I thought my sense of Britishness was to disappear, watching Lizzy win the gold says NO, gaun yersel hen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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