AJF Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: Unless you pick up an aging player, then it's almost always going to be money at this level for anyone outside the uglies. And wouldn't guaranteed group stage European football help facilitate that? I'm not sure what the current difference is between Hearts and Aberdeen's finances are, but they will be expecting a few million quid anyway should they secure it. Edited April 13, 2022 by AJF 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: Unless you pick up an aging player, then it's almost always going to be money at this level for anyone outside the uglies. You might be underplaying it a little. Assuming we can offer a similar level of wage to hearts then group stage football gives them an edge on the sales pitch right now I would say. Finances will be first priority but the risk there is we end up overpaying for players to compensate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Aberdeen and Dunfermline being compared. Wot? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Merkland Red said: I don't think four or six games against European minnows has quite the pull you think it does tbh. I think that has a bit of truth if it's qualifiers, but if Hearts end up guaranteed group stage European football, that's a different thing. Add in that most Scottish players are from the central belt and playing for Hearts, living in the central belt, guaranteed European group stage football, and a decent wage suddenly makes joining a rebuild in Aberdeen a tough sell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big al Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Be better with Shinnie than McGrath. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Dons_1988 said: You might be underplaying it a little. Assuming we can offer a similar level of wage to hearts then group stage football gives them an edge on the sales pitch right now I would say. Finances will be first priority but the risk there is we end up overpaying for players to compensate. Agree with the last bit. Will be interesting to see how Hearts get on next season. I'd imagine we'll see a drastic dip in league form for whichever diddy team gets group stage football going forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: Agree with the last bit. Will be interesting to see how Hearts get on next season. I'd imagine we'll see a drastic dip in league form for whichever diddy team gets group stage football going forward. They could just as easily bulk up their squad with overpaid diddies to try and compensate for the additional games. Everyone wants a bigger budget but easier said than done to make the most of it. That’s not a prediction but I’m not subscribed to the idea that hearts European exploits automatically leaves them miles ahead of us. They have a good opportunity but just have to see how it pans out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: They could just as easily bulk up their squad with overpaid diddies to try and compensate for the additional games. Everyone wants a bigger budget but easier said than done to make the most of it. That’s not a prediction but I’m not subscribed to the idea that hearts European exploits automatically leaves them miles ahead of us. They have a good opportunity but just have to see how it pans out. It's Hearts. Could easily be relegation. Would love to see them bulk up with overpaid diddies to compensate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 It's traditional for yo yo clubs that finish high up the table to follow with a season of shite. Not worried about Hearts at all. I am worried about the missed opportunity for us and the potential for a rebuild to go tits up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betting competition Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 So much negativity from the fans with ex-St Mirren players but if we go on that basis then best not sign John McGinn! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: It's Hearts. Could easily be relegation. Good job they enjoy the novelty so much. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarapoa Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, VincentGuerin said: I think that has a bit of truth if it's qualifiers, but if Hearts end up guaranteed group stage European football, that's a different thing. Add in that most Scottish players are from the central belt and playing for Hearts, living in the central belt, guaranteed European group stage football, and a decent wage suddenly makes joining a rebuild in Aberdeen a tough sell. One of the key complaints from players is the familiarity of playing the same sides so often in Scotland. The three EFL divisions down south are brutal slogs, but offer 23 different opponents and away venues. I think having European games is a bit of a selling point, and if that's group stages all the better - not only for their career experiences, but potential bonuses on offer due to the financial rewards for clubs. The relative remoteness from the central belt has always been an issue for AFC, and has led to us overpaying or chucking in a (rented) house in the past for Scots players, where others wouldn't need to - probably a reason we need to cast our net wider. Having an airport that is an hour's flight from London, Manchester, Amsterdam helps in that respect. I would be happy for us to unearth a few gems regardless of where we get them from - and Besuijen is maybe an early sign that the club are hopefully doing that (over and above the obvious US market). Edited April 13, 2022 by tarapoa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, tarapoa said: One of the key complaints from players is the familiarity of playing the same sides so often in Scotland. The three EFL divisions down south are brutal slogs, but offer 23 different opponents and away venues. I think having European games is a bit of a selling point, and if that's group stages all the better - not only for their career experiences, but potential bonuses on offer due to the financial rewards for clubs. The relative remoteness from the central belt has always been an issue for AFC, and has led to us overpaying or chucking in a (rented) house in the past for Scots players, where others wouldn't need to - probably a reason we need to cast our net wider. Having an airport that is an hour's flight from London, Manchester, Amsterdam helps in that respect. I would be happy for us to unearth a few gems regardless of where we get them from - and Besuijen is maybe an early sign that the club are hopefully doing that (over and above the obvious US market). While it's true that group stage fitba will give Hearts a head-to-head advantage if we and Aberdeen/Hibs go for the same player over the summer, I don't think Aberdeen or Hibs have too much cause for concern, really. Assuming you both stay up. For all that both sides have been dreadful this year, you've both only missed out on the top 6 by really small margins, and I don't see either club having much trouble over-hauling or pulling away from the likes of Livi and Motherwell with a decently-planned summer. It's not like they've gubbed you by 10-15 points. Add in that Hearts are likely to have a congested season up till Christmas at least, and I'd not be surprised at all if Aberdeen qualified for Europe next season. Edited April 13, 2022 by VincentGuerin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Grimes Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 The club briefly outed itself as Anti-Tory there which is the best piece of PR in ages 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Fair play. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 23 minutes ago, Frank Grimes said: The club briefly outed itself as Anti-Tory there which is the best piece of PR in ages 15 minutes ago, capt_oats said: Fair play. Was swiftly deleted and the guy will be punted as big Dave is a Tory. Someone obviously making the same mistake as the Celtic Instagram account holder did 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 You got wrong. next man? Malky 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSaints1877 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 5 hours ago, betting competition said: So much negativity from the fans with ex-St Mirren players but if we go on that basis then best not sign John McGinn! Hey. You guys have done mostly well in the past with players and managers in the past including Dougie Bell, Peter Weir, Billy Stark, Frank McDougall and Fergie. Fancy the return of Curtis Main? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarapoa Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 5 hours ago, SuperSaints1877 said: Hey. You guys have done mostly well in the past with players and managers in the past including Dougie Bell, Peter Weir, Billy Stark, Frank McDougall and Fergie. Fancy the return of Curtis Main? I remember we signed Ricky Gillies, who according to your diehard #1 fan Chick Young was the second coming. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highland_mechanic Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 6 hours ago, SuperSaints1877 said: Hey. You guys have done mostly well in the past with players and managers in the past including Dougie Bell, Peter Weir, Billy Stark, Frank McDougall and Fergie. Fancy the return of Curtis Main? Vaclav Hladky, Jamie McGrath and Conor Ronan will do for starters 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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