FifeSons Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I have no problem with anybody who genuinely wants to show their support for the plight of the people of Palestine. I don't really have much of a problem with anybody flying the flag of Israel either. What i do have a problem with is idiots who choose to support a people or a political cause based purely on the football team they support. I am sick of celtic and Rangers fans on my facebook posting up sickening pictures from the troubles in the middle east trying to out do each other. I have no real sympathy for either side in the troubles but if pushed at the moment i would probably say the Israelis are using a sledgehammer to crack a peanut. I am surprised we haven't had the picture of the Rangers supporter standing next to or holding an Israeli flag while Nazi Saluting. The fact is , whether i like it or not, certain supporters of the club see the Palestine flag and, rightly or wrongly, associate it with the PIRA who the PLO helped to train and who gave them financial help throughout 'the troubles'..Now anybody walking into Ibrox knows they are going to provoke a reaction when they unfurl that flag..they are looking for that reaction. Personally speaking it would get no reaction from me but i have little sympathy for those who do something like that. I would have no sympathy for anybody that went to celtic Park and unfurled an Israeli flag among the Green Brigade. What about vice versa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No8. Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 What about vice versa? You mean people who choose their football team based purely on their political views / Religion? I couldn't really understand that either as i presume most choose their team before they even knew what politics and religion were. I know i certainly did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howlin' Wilf Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I have no problem with anybody who genuinely wants to show their support for the plight of the people of Palestine. I don't really have much of a problem with anybody flying the flag of Israel either. What i do have a problem with is idiots who choose to support a people or a political cause based purely on the football team they support. I am sick of celtic and Rangers fans on my facebook posting up sickening pictures from the troubles in the middle east trying to out do each other. I have no real sympathy for either side in the troubles but if pushed at the moment i would probably say the Israelis are using a sledgehammer to crack a peanut. I am surprised we haven't had the picture of the Rangers supporter standing next to or holding an Israeli flag while Nazi Saluting. The fact is , whether i like it or not, certain supporters of the club see the Palestine flag and, rightly or wrongly, associate it with the PIRA who the PLO helped to train and who gave them financial help throughout 'the troubles'..Now anybody walking into Ibrox knows they are going to provoke a reaction when they unfurl that flag..they are looking for that reaction. Personally speaking it would get no reaction from me but i have little sympathy for those who do something like that. I would have no sympathy for anybody that went to celtic Park and unfurled an Israeli flag among the Green Brigade. Well, ok but the flag was in the Govan Stand. I see what you're saying - eejits just causing trouble and using any means to do so like the few Sellick fans who sneaked in with us and started noising up the Blue Order before the game. We cheered as they were escorted out by the polis - we didn't want them there. Imagine going to the bother of buying a match ticket just to do that? However, like Frank Quitely says in his post above, I'm glad I left all the nonsense behind when I was a boy and chose to support my local team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howlin' Wilf Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 No Wilf, but they are club whose support is increasingly positioning itself on the wrong side of history. Churlish and mean-spirited at best, on the evidence of yesterday they still cling grimly to all the old sectarian baggage whilst failing to notice that the world has moved on. Like the Boers of South Africa and the Orangemen of Ulster they are circling the wagons and nursing their hatred of anyone and anything which threatens or confounds their extreme bigotry and right-wing ideology. Sad people, I'm glad I departed their ranks at eight years of age and chose football over religion. Yesterday was like being in a time-warp; I left after an hour and won't be back. Kindred spirit Frank. Several clues here as to who you could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Parr Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 And quite aside from their rampant bigotry, the Blue Morons' obsession with paedophilia and labelling everyone and anyone as 'paedos' is just plain weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Aye right. Are you claiming they didn't know what reaction they would get? If you go out of your way to antagonise people then you only have yourself to blame if you get a slap. Absolutely no sympathy for them whatsoever There's an analogy involving a woman in a short skirt walking home by herself that I could make here, but I'll just leave it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No8. Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 There's an analogy involving a woman in a short skirt walking home by herself that I could make here, but I'll just leave it. Yeh because that would be utterly pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Not as pathetic as the sweeping going on in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Yeh because that would be utterly pathetic I'll leave you to your victim blaming then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmacDFC Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I fully agree with No8's comment about people deciding their political beliefs purely bases on the football team they support. You can't tell me that those Rangers fans chanting about Alex Salmond have fully researched the independence debate and have arrived at a balanced opinion. Was brilliant to see many 'Yes' badges in the Sons support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 There's an analogy involving a woman in a short skirt walking home by herself that I could make here, but I'll just leave it. You are wise to leave it. There is an obvious difference between a woman walking home and someone at a football ground who sets out to antagonise and provoke others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I fully agree with No8's comment about people deciding their political beliefs purely bases on the football team they support. You can't tell me that those Rangers fans chanting about Alex Salmond have fully researched the independence debate and have arrived at a balanced opinion. Was brilliant to see many 'Yes' badges in the Sons support. Were the badges fully researched? Personally I have no time for anybody bringing so-called "politics" into a football ground and using it as a taunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 You are wise to leave it. There is an obvious difference between a woman walking home and someone at a football ground who sets out to antagonise and provoke others. Like bringing Israel flags to a game? Or is it just the Palestine flags that provoke people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Let's be honest here, neither Israel, nor Palestine, have anything to do with Scotland, Dumbarton or Rangers, so to say that the guys who pulled out a Palestinian flag were only there to provoke a reaction and deserved their slap is ridiculous. If someone pulled out a Palestinian flag at The Rock they wouldn't provoke an angry reaction, they would simply draw confused looks and rightly so. The real reason that they provoked such a response is because a strikingly high number of Rangers supporters hold right wing views. There's simply no worming out of that. Rangers are a team that draw support from the absolute worst sections of Scottish society, as do their green brothers. Rangers FC - giving purpose to the lives of bigots since 1872 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Like bringing Israel flags to a game? Or is it just the Palestine flags that provoke people? See the following post I made (at 14:55). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I do occasionally wonder just how it is that friends of mine can support Rangers in good conscience. I simply could not continue to go along to Dumbarton games if our fans were into loyalism, sectarianism etc etc. For example, my mates Dave2_5_8 and KnightswoodBear of this very forum are two intelligent and well-meaning people, so to imagine them sitting amongst all those Orange Order scarves etc just baffles me. How does one separate the bullshit from the football in such a way as to reconcile the situation sufficiently to yourself to allow you to watch the team? It'd be impossible for me. Maybe that's a reflection of me, and fair enough if that's the case, but I just couldn't put up with it and would have to disassociate myself from the club as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowhereman Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Let's be honest here, neither Israel, nor Palestine, have anything to do with Scotland, Dumbarton or Rangers, so to say that the guys who pulled out a Palestinian flag were only there to provoke a reaction and deserved their slap is ridiculous. If someone pulled out a Palestinian flag at The Rock they wouldn't provoke an angry reaction, they would simply draw confused looks and rightly so. The real reason that they provoked such a response is because a strikingly high number of Rangers supporters hold right wing views. There's simply no worming out of that. Rangers are a team that draw support from the absolute worst sections of Scottish society, as do their green brothers. Rangers FC - giving purpose to the lives of bigots since 1872 2012. Yes. And the guys who pulled out the flag would know that. So they just did it to get a reaction and got exactly the reaction they, or anyone else, would have expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 No, I simply think it is you imagining what it is like to sit inside Ibrox next to other Rangers fans and stereotyping them all and getting it horribly wrong. I cannot remember the last time I sat next to someone and noticed an Orange order scarf (whatever they are) nor can I remember the last time a Rangers fan close to me started to talk about loyalism or any other such nonsense, the guys round me speak about football, Ally`s shit tactics, beer, motors amongst other normal bloke type subjects. The guys immediately to our right had on a variety of scarves with "folksy" slogans on them, numerous examples of which had "Orange Order" on them. There's undoubtedly stereotyping in my post, but this attitude of simply pretending that your fanbase doesn't have extensive problems with extreme views is not the way to deal with things and is akin to sticking your fingers in your ears and going "la la la". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Yes. And the guys who pulled out the flag would know that. So they just did it to get a reaction and got exactly the reaction they, or anyone else, would have expected. Yes, I appreciate that point and do not disagree that they were simply looking to outrage the Rangers support, that's not my point. My point is that they CAN BE outraged by that action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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