Widge Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Messi is better technically, Ronaldo athletically. The end result is still the same, the ball goes in the back of the net one way or another. Personally I’d rather watch Messi do it, but I’m not making outlandish claims like some in here. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just me 2 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Messi was pish at the World Cup. Easy enough scoring against shite like Levante and Leganes. And Tottenham 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Rather strange thread this, surely to God that anyone who watches football regularly and has any sort of idea about the game, would have to concede that if Messi is not the greatest player in history, then he's certainly up there with the best. Workrate, goalscoring, passing, vision, fitness, longevity at the top and his all round professionalism are second to none...............Work-rate? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 21 hours ago, J_Stewart said: It’s not hyperbole if it’s true. Ronaldo is a phenomenal goal scorer, an absolutely elite athlete, and the second best player that has ever played, but he isn’t the football player that Messi is. No one is. Messi is one of, if not the best goal scorer in history, whilst at the same time being the most consistently creative player in Europe for over a decade. He drops deep in to midfield, dictates the tempo of games, creates multiple chances per game, both directly with assists and by building attacks, and often times then finishes them too. He’s Xavi, Iniesta and Ronaldo rolled in to one absolutely spectacular football player. Luka Modric or Kevin De Bruyne (or any other elite creative midfielder) can’t do what he does, but Messi can do what they can. Harry Kane or Aguero (or any other elite striker) can’t do what Messi does, but he can do what they can. People fawn and gush over him because he is truly, truly special. As a footballer, he is miles ahead of everyone else, both past and present, maybe that just won’t be fully acknowledged until he retires and people realise just how good he was. Imagine being a grown man and actually coming out with that. f**k me. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 23 hours ago, J_Stewart said: It’s not hyperbole if it’s true. Ronaldo is a phenomenal goal scorer, an absolutely elite athlete, and the second best player that has ever played, but he isn’t the football player that Messi is. No one is. Messi is one of, if not the best goal scorer in history, whilst at the same time being the most consistently creative player in Europe for over a decade. He drops deep in to midfield, dictates the tempo of games, creates multiple chances per game, both directly with assists and by building attacks, and often times then finishes them too. He’s Xavi, Iniesta and Ronaldo rolled in to one absolutely spectacular football player. Luka Modric or Kevin De Bruyne (or any other elite creative midfielder) can’t do what he does, but Messi can do what they can. Harry Kane or Aguero (or any other elite striker) can’t do what Messi does, but he can do what they can. People fawn and gush over him because he is truly, truly special. As a footballer, he is miles ahead of everyone else, both past and present, maybe that just won’t be fully acknowledged until he retires and people realise just how good he was. Xavi, Iniesta and Ronaldo rolled into one. Have you lost the plot? There are numerous attributes and things that Ronaldo does that Messi can’t. I think over the course of their careers Messi is the better footballer, but to say he can do everything Ronaldo does is just more utter nonsense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainkev Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 (edited) 35 minutes ago, ali_91 said: If you want someone to score three out of six goals against Alaves then Messi wins, if you want someone to do it on the big occasion then Ronaldo wins. Best big game player in history. Messi has scored in two champions league finals, scored in umpteen clasicos, scored in several Copa del Ray finals and has been Barcelona's top scorer in all but one season in the past decade during which Barcelona have hoovered up La Liga titles. The idea that he's not a big game player is nonsense. Edited October 6, 2018 by captainkev 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ali_91 said: I’m not saying Messi hasn’t done it on the big occasion, he’s the second best player to ever live, of course he’s showed up occasionally, but Ronaldo is your man for the big games, even the most avid Messi fan boy won’t be denying that. Messis scored in more Finals than Ronaldo. He's also scored more winning goals in Finals. Ronaldo generally just adds to a scoreline. Honestly though, in terms of "clutch players", Gareth Bale is probably your man. Has he not scored vital goals in two recent CL finals? Edited October 7, 2018 by RandomGuy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moomintroll Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Hopefully the odious arsehole is about to be unmasked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Attempting to argue Ronaldo is a big game player in the Champions League knockout stages 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8MileBU Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 I’m not saying Messi hasn’t done it on the big occasion, he’s the second best player to ever live, of course he’s showed up occasionally, but Ronaldo is your man for the big games, even the most avid Messi fan boy won’t be denying that. Now, I’m firmly in the Messi camp, but your point about big games is perfectly valid, particularly at international level, though it’s hard to pinpoint exactly why. Argentina and Portugal have their megastar each and then a bunch of very good players. However, Ronaldo has far more consistently produced that magic moment for Portugal when required more than Messi has for Argentina. Ronaldo seems to be able to roll the sleeves up and drag his team through whereas Messi often disappears from internationals and cuts a forlorn figure when results don’t go Argentina’s way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Stewart Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Now, I’m firmly in the Messi camp, but your point about big games is perfectly valid, particularly at international level, though it’s hard to pinpoint exactly why. Argentina and Portugal have their megastar each and then a bunch of very good players. However, Ronaldo has far more consistently produced that magic moment for Portugal when required more than Messi has for Argentina. Ronaldo seems to be able to roll the sleeves up and drag his team through whereas Messi often disappears from internationals and cuts a forlorn figure when results don’t go Argentina’s way. Messi helped Argentina reach a World Cup final and two Copa America finals. Were it not for Higuin being a bottling b*****d, they’d have won at least two of the three. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/nov/12/lionel-messi-beatles-best-player-barcelona?CMP=Share_iOSApp_OtherMessi......[emoji146][emoji146][emoji146][emoji146][emoji146][emoji146][emoji146][emoji146][emoji146] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 As Sinead O'connor once said whilst thinking of Leo the GOAT : Nothin' compares 2 u. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 As Sinead O'connor once said whilst thinking of Leo the GOAT : Nothin' compares 2 u. You can only speculate what Ronaldo’s tally would be by now if he started at Real and stayed in La Liga, instead of doing the business at Man United, then Real Madrid, and now Juventus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, SweeperDee said: You can only speculate what Ronaldo’s tally would be by now if he started at Real and stayed in La Liga, instead of doing the business at Man United, then Real Madrid, and now Juventus. He wouldn't have broken through at Real and would most likely be at Girona just now tbf. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staggy1929 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 The big debate around Messi's career will be whether he would've scored the same amount of goals in another league as he has 'played it safe' staying with Barca. I like Ronaldo's ambition to try and be the best everywhere he goes but for me Messi edges it just. Ask me again in 2 months and I'll have probably changed my mind tbh. The two greatest footballers of all time 100% though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 He wouldn't have broken through at Real and would most likely be at Girona just now tbf. You’re at it m9 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I still think that Ronaldo is the most effective player out there, and the guy I want when the chips are down. I much prefer watching Messi though, and his influence since his return has been tremendous. I'd still go Messi purely on his mental talent but it depends what you look for. I just want to be entertained. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 He wouldn't have broken through at Real and would most likely be at Girona just now tbf. He'd be referred to around the world as the Portuguese Jack Harper IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, accies1874 said: 2 hours ago, Dele said: He wouldn't have broken through at Real and would most likely be at Girona just now tbf. He'd be referred to around the world as the Portuguese Jack Harper IMO. Absolutely. He's been fortunate in that he learnt a lot of self discipline from Djemba Djemba at Man United. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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