The Moonster Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 13 minutes ago, bullyweehutch said: No one wants Colts in the cup but do the powers at the sfa give a f**k what the fans want? Do they f**k. Yet another genius game changing cup format from them This format was decided by the SPFL's committee, which is made up of divisional reps. Many say there isn't any desire for it, I can't help but think there would've been more of a backlash from clubs on this idea if there was no desire for it. I agree there's very little desire from supporters, but club boards are a different issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 2 hours ago, vikingTON said: Those "running the game" in terms of setting up the league system are the member clubs. There is no groundswell of support for B sides to be allowed in by the member clubs - and Celtic Under 20s attracting less than 300 to a match only undermines that case. The Old Firm Under 20s manager or a handful of clubs - probably five as craigkillie pointed out - can bump their gums about it all they want - they don't constitute a majority and can't even offer credible financial incentives from the puny gates their colt sides attract. Okay but then why even admit them to a cup competition, which was formed to give lower league clubs a more realistic chance of a cup final/ trophy, if there is no support for Colt teams? The other thing is not only do we have the old firm dominating tv coverage, thus making far more money than other clubs, as well as having a bigger profile for youngsters throughout Scotland to start supporting them, but now their under 20's are going to start doing the same in a cup competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee_62 Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Although there's more cash (sponsors and TV), there's also more clubs - saw a comment/statement somewhere that the clubs will earn about £500 more than last season. (plus some bottled water). The obvious winners are therefore the top division teams who are getting money from a cup that they never used to enter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Last night had a novelty about it, it was new. What would these games attract in three years time when that has worn off? I'd wager more than one sub 100 gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 28 minutes ago, PauloPerth said: Okay but then why even admit them to a cup competition, which was formed to give lower league clubs a more realistic chance of a cup final/ trophy, if there is no support for Colt teams? The purpose of their admission is to have two Colt teams in the last 16 - we know which two those are meant to be - alongside the guest teams and the majority of the box-office draw, Championship sides. These rounds are qualifiers for the main event: which also happens to be the section of the competition that sponsors and the official TV deal are essentially paying for. It's a 'Challenge' cup with guest entrants - there is no inherent barrier to having reserve sides in it. Absolutely none of the above indicates that the majority of clubs in the Scottish leagues support the idea of Colt teams in the league setup though. You'd be as well claiming that the goal of the moustache-twirling overlords at the top of the Scottish game is to have Welsh or TFS clubs playing in the Scottish leagues as well. That's not going to happen either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 22 minutes ago, Snakebite said: Last night had a novelty about it, it was new. What would these games attract in three years time when that has worn off? I'd wager more than one sub 100 gate. Cumbernauld Colts v Hamilton Accies Colts tonight may well be the first game to fail to break the 100 barrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7-2 Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 It seems quite fitting that the only team officially called Colts in the competition actually isn't one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qpsnapper Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 1 hour ago, The Moonster said: This format was decided by the SPFL's committee, which is made up of divisional reps. Many say there isn't any desire for it, I can't help but think there would've been more of a backlash from clubs on this idea if there was no desire for it. I agree there's very little desire from supporters, but club boards are a different issue. League Two number of reps: Zero League One number of reps: One Championship reps: Two Premiership reps: Three Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrExile Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 3 hours ago, vikingTON said: They're not reasonable at all. Why would any of the 30-odd clubs throw open the doors at the prospect of a team that can't get more than 300 fans? Every national level club in the country has a similar fixture list - their failure to attract a credible crowd speaks for itself. Celtic fans had as much free time last night: and about 200 of them showed up to watch their B team. Which is less than the vast majority of sides already in the league would attract, and underlines the point that their crowds would not in fact be a major financial draw. There is no factual evidence for this claim. And we've just seen the response of 'locally based' Celtic fans to a B match - it was pathetic. Which means that other than continuing to earn token rent for hosting their matches, the Morton board for one won't be wetting their knickers at the apparent big draw of playing Celtic B. One vote gone:=, many more likely to follow them. ^^^ word salad It's guaranteed to fail because the clubs in Scotland run the league setup, not the SFA. And given that there is no reason for the clubs to let B teams into the setup, it's not going to happen. Perfectly straightforward stuff. Sorry you can't just keep ignoring the fact this game was live on TV last night and far less incentive to attend. Would the colt games on a Saturday afternoon be similar? What would have been an acceptable attendance last night in your opinion that would have made it pay. Let's revisit this over the next few rounds and see where it ends up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Live on tv. It was on premier sports for f**k's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Live on tv. It was on premier sports for f**k's sake. I got it for Scotland's 2 friendlies, the Copa and then the Scottish clubs qualifiers, just cancelled it the other week and they tried to sell me another subscription because they had this tournament... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrExile Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 35 minutes ago, Snakebite said: Live on tv. It was on premier sports for f**k's sake. would that be the same premier sports who have shown Celtics champions league games so far? Cant imagine too many fans will be familiar with it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 1 hour ago, AyrExile said: Sorry you can't just keep ignoring the fact this game was live on TV last night and far less incentive to attend. Would the colt games on a Saturday afternoon be similar? What would have been an acceptable attendance last night in your opinion that would have made it pay. Let's revisit this over the next few rounds and see where it ends up. How many Scottish league clubs have attracted a gate of less than 300 when they are playing on TV? The answer of course is 'none' - because all of them possess a far larger appeal for people to watch them play live; when Morton play at home on TV that doesn't in fact reduce the number of home fans at the game. The fact that Celtic attracted such an abject crowd will be noted by club boards up and down the country and will be factored in, when the next set of bullshit claims about thousands of bereft knuckle-draggers slithering out to watch their B team is made. That didn't happen last night and so it's clearly not going to happen if Celtic B were playing each and every week of the regular season. Gutted for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 3 minutes ago, vikingTON said: How many Scottish league clubs have attracted a gate of less than 300 when they are playing on TV? The answer of course is 'none' - because all of them possess a far larger appeal for people to watch them play live; when Morton play at home on TV that doesn't in fact reduce the number of home fans at the game. The fact that Celtic attracted such an abject crowd will be noted by club boards up and down the country and will be factored in, when the next set of bullshit claims about thousands of bereft knuckle-draggers slithering out to watch their B team is made. That didn't happen last night and so it's clearly not going to happen if Celtic B were playing each and every week of the regular season. Gutted for you. When Celtic reserves played at Airdrie, it was scouts, other club officials and players families. But I would be guaranteed to pass a few idiots in Celtic shirts yards from the park. There is no untapped market, most of these clowns follow them in name only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrExile Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 11 minutes ago, vikingTON said: How many Scottish league clubs have attracted a gate of less than 300 when they are playing on TV? The answer of course is 'none' - because all of them possess a far larger appeal for people to watch them play live; when Morton play at home on TV that doesn't in fact reduce the number of home fans at the game. The fact that Celtic attracted such an abject crowd will be noted by club boards up and down the country and will be factored in, when the next set of bullshit claims about thousands of bereft knuckle-draggers slithering out to watch their B team is made. That didn't happen last night and so it's clearly not going to happen if Celtic B were playing each and every week of the regular season. Gutted for you. Cool mate. I'm pleased for you that one midweek game has been long enough to sink this in your eyes. As expected you didn't quote an acceptable crowd figure as it's far easier to knock and put the boot in to different ideas than give things a chance. Looking forward to seeing Morton vs Celtic in the later rounds and see how the attendance compares with the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 The idea has been given a chance: it's just going to stay a novelty item for a novelty cup, as a team that has no more chance of entering the league system than Linfield. Gutted for you, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 32 minutes ago, AyrExile said: Cool mate. I'm pleased for you that one midweek game has been long enough to sink this in your eyes. As expected you didn't quote an acceptable crowd figure as it's far easier to knock and put the boot in to different ideas than give things a chance. Looking forward to seeing Morton vs Celtic in the later rounds and see how the attendance compares with the norm. It'll be on the telly and wouldn't get much at it. It would depend very much on the attitude of Morton supporters at the time. If they're not doing well they won't go. Celtic supporters will be very few regardless. You might get some if the mix the game up with a league cup tie, but not many go to them either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde01 Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 The purpose of their admission is to have two Colt teams in the last 16 - we know which two those are meant to be - alongside the guest teams and the majority of the box-office draw, Championship sides. These rounds are qualifiers for the main event: which also happens to be the section of the competition that sponsors and the official TV deal are essentially paying for. The championship sides are hardly the box office draw you seem to be constantly suggesting. In particular if Hibs and Dundee Utd were to be promoted and say Hamilton and Ross county relegated there is drastically less appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, Clyde01 said: The championship sides are hardly the box office draw you seem to be constantly suggesting. In particular if Hibs and Dundee Utd were to be promoted and say Hamilton and Ross county relegated there is drastically less appeal. The sponsors and TV companies clearly think otherwise: hence why the seaside and pub league teams have to play-off against each other and youth sides, while the Championship clubs stroll in as seeds in Round 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Cumbernauld Colts 0-3 Hamilton Academical 'B' Attendance was a mere 119. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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