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Asher's Bakery Belfast - Lose Court Appeal Over Gay Wedding Cake.


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8 hours ago, banana said:

Right.

If a shop that stocks pre-made cakes refused to sell one of those cakes to someone on the basis that the customer is gay, then we're into sketchy territory. But that's not what happened, the sticking point was the content of what was being created. This additional aspect of creation is important.

The larger point is that this story is just another example of the grievance/victimhood/entitlement industry being fueled by 'Progressive' doctrine among other things.

Pro-creationist type post.

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17 hours ago, Jambomo said:

I disagree, it is not always the case that the agreement to produce any good is subject to what it is going to be or in this case what was going on it. Indeed, one of the central points as pointed out in this case was that they had agreed to make it before cancelling the order when they learned of what was going on it.

Correct, so the agreement was clearly subject to what was going on the cake. Unless as previously noted you think a private business owner should be forced to create something against their will, dictated by a member of the public how they're going to spend the next X hours/days of their labour, under threat (direct or 'social acceptability') of being outed as an e.g. 'homophobe'.

'Progressive' authoritarianism is one helluva drug.

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Correct, so the agreement was clearly subject to what was going on the cake. Unless as previously noted you think a private business owner should be forced to create something against their will, dictated by a member of the public how they're going to spend the next X hours/days of their labour, under threat (direct or 'social acceptability') of being outed as an e.g. 'homophobe'.

'Progressive' authoritarianism is one helluva drug.



No, the agreement wasn't subject to what was being put on the cake.

(Going from what the papers have said) The agreement was made to make the cake without any qualification at that point then, withdrawn when they didn't like the message that was going on it. That is what is illegal.

Nobody is being "forced to create things against their will" or being dictated to by a member of the public, they are simply being asked to complete a job they have contracted themselves into doing.
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No, the agreement wasn't subject to what was being put on the cake.

(Going from what the papers have said) The agreement was made to make the cake without any qualification at that point then, withdrawn when they didn't like the message that was going on it. That is what is illegal.

Nobody is being "forced to create things against their will" or being dictated to by a member of the public, they are simply being asked to complete a job they have contracted themselves into doing.


It does show that they were willing to deal with the gay couple. I know the law in NI is different but there really is no place for the state to dictate that labour should be expended on a particular activity under threat of law.
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One of the big problems in this story is that it shows complete intolerance of anyone who holds the view that marriage should be defined as between one man and women. Reverse it to homosexual bakers refusing to make a cake with a pro-Christian message - there would be no criticism. There will be no lobbying of the Muslim faith, for example, to accept same-sex marriage. In the near future, sexual freedom will overrule religious freedom for the Christian faith. How very oliberal.

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9 minutes ago, milhouse said:

One of the big problems in this story is that it shows complete intolerance of anyone who holds the view that marriage should be defined as between one man and women. 

That would be the view of the bakers.  I'd reckon most posters would disagree with them and rightly so.  

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That's wonderful. What kind of idiot thought dining equipment was the best way to remember hunger strikers?

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That's got to be a wind up, a f*ckin DINNER PLATE to commemorate people starving themselves to death!!! [emoji47][emoji47] Can't be real!!?

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On 29 October 2016 at 20:59, milhouse said:

One of the big problems in this story is that it shows complete intolerance of anyone who holds the view that marriage should be defined as between one man and women. Reverse it to homosexual bakers refusing to make a cake with a pro-Christian message - there would be no criticism. There will be no lobbying of the Muslim faith, for example, to accept same-sex marriage. In the near future, sexual freedom will overrule religious freedom for the Christian faith. How very oliberal.

Whilst the influence, and therefore the intolerance, of Christianity in our society is waning the influence of Islam is growing.  The brainwashing of children of Muslim parents means we will see greater intolerance in our society as the years go by.

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11 hours ago, jupe1407 said:

 


That's wonderful. What kind of idiot thought dining equipment was the best way to remember hunger strikers?

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Hard to believe that the same people that got all upset with Shep Smith of Fox News for this oneliner at the end of a newscast see nothing wrong with those plates.

 

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