Granny Danger Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 8 hours ago, banana said: Right. If a shop that stocks pre-made cakes refused to sell one of those cakes to someone on the basis that the customer is gay, then we're into sketchy territory. But that's not what happened, the sticking point was the content of what was being created. This additional aspect of creation is important. The larger point is that this story is just another example of the grievance/victimhood/entitlement industry being fueled by 'Progressive' doctrine among other things. Pro-creationist type post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 2 hours ago, ICTChris said: I'm worried about the explosion in diabetes that's going to result from all this tit-for-tat cake making. There can't really be too many cakes in the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLIEA Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 3 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: Served on a hunger strike commemorative plate? That is just so f*ckin ridiculous it beggars belief! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DI Bruce Robertson Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 That is just so f*ckin ridiculous it beggars belief! A fuckin plate! Gotta love the sense of humour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaffenThinMint Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Hunger strike commemorative dinner plates. Perfect for serving chicken suppers or cheddar cheese and pineapple on sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 17 hours ago, Jambomo said: I disagree, it is not always the case that the agreement to produce any good is subject to what it is going to be or in this case what was going on it. Indeed, one of the central points as pointed out in this case was that they had agreed to make it before cancelling the order when they learned of what was going on it. Correct, so the agreement was clearly subject to what was going on the cake. Unless as previously noted you think a private business owner should be forced to create something against their will, dictated by a member of the public how they're going to spend the next X hours/days of their labour, under threat (direct or 'social acceptability') of being outed as an e.g. 'homophobe'. 'Progressive' authoritarianism is one helluva drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Correct, so the agreement was clearly subject to what was going on the cake. Unless as previously noted you think a private business owner should be forced to create something against their will, dictated by a member of the public how they're going to spend the next X hours/days of their labour, under threat (direct or 'social acceptability') of being outed as an e.g. 'homophobe'. 'Progressive' authoritarianism is one helluva drug. No, the agreement wasn't subject to what was being put on the cake. (Going from what the papers have said) The agreement was made to make the cake without any qualification at that point then, withdrawn when they didn't like the message that was going on it. That is what is illegal. Nobody is being "forced to create things against their will" or being dictated to by a member of the public, they are simply being asked to complete a job they have contracted themselves into doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 The Failed Statelet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 No, the agreement wasn't subject to what was being put on the cake. (Going from what the papers have said) The agreement was made to make the cake without any qualification at that point then, withdrawn when they didn't like the message that was going on it. That is what is illegal. Nobody is being "forced to create things against their will" or being dictated to by a member of the public, they are simply being asked to complete a job they have contracted themselves into doing. It does show that they were willing to deal with the gay couple. I know the law in NI is different but there really is no place for the state to dictate that labour should be expended on a particular activity under threat of law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milhouse Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 One of the big problems in this story is that it shows complete intolerance of anyone who holds the view that marriage should be defined as between one man and women. Reverse it to homosexual bakers refusing to make a cake with a pro-Christian message - there would be no criticism. There will be no lobbying of the Muslim faith, for example, to accept same-sex marriage. In the near future, sexual freedom will overrule religious freedom for the Christian faith. How very oliberal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 9 minutes ago, milhouse said: One of the big problems in this story is that it shows complete intolerance of anyone who holds the view that marriage should be defined as between one man and women. That would be the view of the bakers. I'd reckon most posters would disagree with them and rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 11 minutes ago, milhouse said: In the near future, sexual freedom will overrule religious freedom for the Christian faith. How very oliberal. Glory be! I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Ferrino Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 If God disapproved, wouldn't he fill the cake with maggots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Ferrino Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 On 26/10/2016 at 15:11, The_Kincardine said: Served on a hunger strike commemorative plate? The human race needs some bad ass mean motherfucker alien c***s to arrive on earth and give all our heads a wobble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Served on a hunger strike commemorative plate? That's wonderful. What kind of idiot thought dining equipment was the best way to remember hunger strikers? [emoji23] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 That's wonderful. What kind of idiot thought dining equipment was the best way to remember hunger strikers? [emoji23] That's got to be a wind up, a f*ckin DINNER PLATE to commemorate people starving themselves to death!!! [emoji47][emoji47] Can't be real!!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hehawhehaw Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 17 hours ago, Tony Ferrino said: If God disapproved, wouldn't he fill the cake with maggots? I don't think God gets involved at this stage. It's beneath his miracle grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 On 29 October 2016 at 20:59, milhouse said: One of the big problems in this story is that it shows complete intolerance of anyone who holds the view that marriage should be defined as between one man and women. Reverse it to homosexual bakers refusing to make a cake with a pro-Christian message - there would be no criticism. There will be no lobbying of the Muslim faith, for example, to accept same-sex marriage. In the near future, sexual freedom will overrule religious freedom for the Christian faith. How very oliberal. Whilst the influence, and therefore the intolerance, of Christianity in our society is waning the influence of Islam is growing. The brainwashing of children of Muslim parents means we will see greater intolerance in our society as the years go by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 11 hours ago, jupe1407 said: That's wonderful. What kind of idiot thought dining equipment was the best way to remember hunger strikers? Hard to believe that the same people that got all upset with Shep Smith of Fox News for this oneliner at the end of a newscast see nothing wrong with those plates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 I skipped tea last Friday to go to the pub early thinking I'd grab a pizza on the way home. Stayed out a bit late and everywhere was shut. Could have been me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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