greendot Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Edinabear up to his usual shite then.....no real surprise from the backward arsehole Literally a backward arsehole with his arse on this front! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 12 hours ago, santheman said: As a "neutral" fan who hasn't really kept up with developments I'm curious to know if the opposition is to the idea of ANY Colt teams playing in D2 or if it's just because it is the Old Firm and all the hassle that might bring. If it was say St Johnstone and Kilmarnock who wanted their teams to play, would there be as much opposition. Not advocating one way or another just curious. Our colt side would be an u18 side and I can guarantee we'd have next to no fans turning up home or away. It's farcical they even got included in the Challenge Cup and I can't think of a single player who's benefited. All the players we've brought through lately (Clark, Kerr, McCann, May, Kane) have worked their way through the lower league system in the loan system. Different environments, different coaches, different team mates, different roles, all this have grown them as men and players. The colt idea is just another one of these moronic, overthought, ways to "develop" players, where folk think that forcing a 14yo to spend 6 years playing one exact role in one exact system is somehow great for them. We got Darnell Fisher from Celtic on loan and he had absolutely no idea how to play in a back 4 that wasn't camped in the opponents half, took a solid 6 months of him being woeful for it to click. He's now playing in the EFL Championship. If he'd been at Celtic he'd probably still be rattling around their colt side with no idea how to play anything other than an aggressive RB role. The loan system is quite clearly far better than a colt system, that's why the OF proposal is as clear as glass. They don't want to develop young players, they want to hoard players. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretCEO Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 An idea for you to tear down or ignore. Because this colts question looks like it will be asked ad infinitum, ad nauseum. Take the initiative, and offer to play the elite colts teams each season in points-earning matches. But where the colts stay strictly within their own non-pyramid divisions. So you might have a sixteen team bottom senior tier, playing every side in their division x2, and playing each of eight elite colts teams x1. The senior-senior matches would be at weekends, the senior-colts matches across 16 midweeks. The elite colts would also play one another x2, and have their own relegation, promotion, etc. So the seniors would earn points towards their own league by taking a result against the elite colts, and vice versa. It might give youngsters the experience and player development that those pushing the colts idea are looking for, but without damaging the senior leagues since no colt teams would actually be in the pyramid. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 17 minutes ago, SecretCEO said: An idea for you to tear down or ignore. Because this colts question looks like it will be asked ad infinitum, ad nauseum. Take the initiative, and offer to play the elite colts teams each season in points-earning matches. But where the colts stay strictly within their own non-pyramid divisions. So you might have a sixteen team bottom senior tier, playing every side in their division x2, and playing each of eight elite colts teams x1. The senior-senior matches would be at weekends, the senior-colts matches across 16 midweeks. The elite colts would also play one another x2, and have their own relegation, promotion, etc. So the seniors would earn points towards their own league by taking a result against the elite colts, and vice versa. It might give youngsters the experience and player development that those pushing the colts idea are looking for, but without damaging the senior leagues since no colt teams would actually be in the pyramid. No fucking thank you. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, Diamonds are Forever said: To summarise his 'argument' for those who missed it: The old firm youth systems are failing to produce players because they are too busy trying to win leagues and cups to give young players a chance. Therefore it is the responsibility of the rest of Scottish football to allow Old Firm youth players to play regular competitive football so that these players can then go on to play first team football, be sold for millions of pounds and allow the Old Firm to continue to financially bully the rest of Scottish football and maintain their dominance. These players can't possibly be loaned out to lower league clubs because they all play hoofball and therefore it would damage these talents to slum it with part-time clubs, they need to remain in their sheltered environment playing nice pretty triangles away to Brechin to turn into future Scotland stars. I was listening in the car on the way back from work so may have missed a bit, but from memory I think that's how it went. Craig Levein wholeheartedly agreed, obviously. It is an absurd argument to make, if the Old Firm can't produce players given all the advantages they have then that is entirely on them, ruining the integrity of the lower leagues to make up for their own inadequacies is not an acceptable option. Interesting that the OF priority was given as themselves - and not the national team. Check out how many of the national team, on average, play in the Premier as opposed to say the English Premier/Championship and how many of those were Anglos and how many came through the Youth systems at Premier clubs (other than the OF). Then check out the numbers of non-Scottish qualified players playing in the OF first teams. I haven't checked this (apologies if completely wrong) but it would be interesting to see how that looks out in reality. My bet is that anyone who is good enough gets picked up by clubs in the English system when they're in their teens or very early 20's and they won't be going from the OF. Edited March 16, 2021 by Dev . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoriginalhedge Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, SecretCEO said: An idea for you to tear down or ignore. Because this colts question looks like it will be asked ad infinitum, ad nauseum. Take the initiative, and offer to play the elite colts teams each season in points-earning matches. But where the colts stay strictly within their own non-pyramid divisions. So you might have a sixteen team bottom senior tier, playing every side in their division x2, and playing each of eight elite colts teams x1. The senior-senior matches would be at weekends, the senior-colts matches across 16 midweeks. The elite colts would also play one another x2, and have their own relegation, promotion, etc. So the seniors would earn points towards their own league by taking a result against the elite colts, and vice versa. It might give youngsters the experience and player development that those pushing the colts idea are looking for, but without damaging the senior leagues since no colt teams would actually be in the pyramid. And a definite no from me too. If the SPFL got hold of this they would turn it into another "if and but " statement to rival the ridiculous restarting one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, SecretCEO said: An idea for you to tear down or ignore. Because this colts question looks like it will be asked ad infinitum, ad nauseum. Take the initiative, and offer to play the elite colts teams each season in points-earning matches. But where the colts stay strictly within their own non-pyramid divisions. So you might have a sixteen team bottom senior tier, playing every side in their division x2, and playing each of eight elite colts teams x1. The senior-senior matches would be at weekends, the senior-colts matches across 16 midweeks. The elite colts would also play one another x2, and have their own relegation, promotion, etc. So the seniors would earn points towards their own league by taking a result against the elite colts, and vice versa. It might give youngsters the experience and player development that those pushing the colts idea are looking for, but without damaging the senior leagues since no colt teams would actually be in the pyramid. That's 46 games. Plus Scottish Cup. Plus League Cup. Plus Challenge Cup. Over 50 games if the League Cup continues as initially a group stage competition. And this bottom "senior" tier. Where would this be placed? Below the Wos and Eos football leagues? Or do you mean a bottom "national" tier? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Voting apparently on this is happening. WTF? Is this expected to pass? Feels like this is getting railroaded through very quietly. c***s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56412970 Those comments from Levein and Collins are pathetic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Voting apparently on this is happening. WTF? Is this expected to pass? Feels like this is getting railroaded through very quietly. c***s. Where'd you hear that? Just curious because I've heard that so many time now, and it never gets past the point of Celtgers representatives approaching clubs directly and being told to bolt. There's always the worry that they might manage to find a suitable bribe, as some board members at certain clubs have implied that they're just waiting for the right offer to come in, but it's pretty apparent that they can't afford to buy everyone out. Wasn't there a time when the main bribe was the offer of a friendly against one of the Big Teams? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 minute ago, BFTD said: Where'd you hear that? Just curious because I've heard that so many time now, and it never gets past the point of Celtgers representatives approaching clubs directly and being told to bolt. There's always the worry that they might manage to find a suitable bribe, as some board members at certain clubs have implied that they're just waiting for the right offer to come in, but it's pretty apparent that they can't afford to buy everyone out. Wasn't there a time when the main bribe was the offer of a friendly against one of the Big Teams? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56412970 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Dons_1988 said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56412970 Interesting that the bung has been reduced from £3m to £2m, and that there are no other incentives. The League 1/2 clubs would have to be idiots to vote for this. £20,000 per season for five years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Get it so far to f**k. Need fan pressure on clubs to oppose this; if they're ever going to cave to a shite bribe from the OF it's just now. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fifer Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 I've emailed our club (again...) asking for their stance and to vote against it. Our chairman tends to do a a sort of update every now and then, so would hope this was mentioned in his next one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) Still stunned by Craig Levein's big-brain thinking: Celtgers are stockpiling our young players that they've no intention of using just so other clubs can't have them, so we should let them make up new teams to play the kids against the diddies. Nothing about bringing in restrictions to stop them stockpiling in the first place, no? Edit: I've emailed our club a few times about this and got no response, as with most things. Guess I'll try STRONGLY ADVISING Mike Mulraney that this would be a terrible idea next time I run into him...for all the difference that will make. Edited March 16, 2021 by BFTD 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Plenty justification against this, and as I've said before, I'm finished with Scottish football should it happen. The argument seems to be that for Scottish football to become more successful than it is now, when Celtic and the Ibrox manifestation are presently the totally dominant clubs, mini versions of these two should be introduced. Might it not be more reasonable to see that for Scottish football to become more successful than it is now, when Celtic and the Ibrox manifestation are presently the totally dominant clubs, the authorities should look at ways of helping the other 40 clubs in the league system, rather than these two who are leading the nation to fail season after season? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 25 minutes ago, BFTD said: Interesting that the bung has been reduced from £3m to £2m, and that there are no other incentives. The League 1/2 clubs would have to be idiots to vote for this. £20,000 per season for five years. There's plenty of moron chairmen who only see the pound signs. Steve Brown has publicly backed colt sides lately for some reason, then a week later talked about how great the loan system has been for us. It's like there's folk who have been brainwashed into thinking it's a brilliant idea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 That BBC article states that B teams provide a pathway to international football. FFS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghBlue Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 14 hours ago, Hauftimedraw said: John Collins. Would get more sense from Joan Collins... What a fud! Apparently Joan Collins was a great fud 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true fan Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 what do hibs, hearts, aberdeen etc think? don't they want to have colts teams? do they want to sit back and let old firm prosper; whole of scottish football to revolve round them? what's the basis for this - is it some sort of divine right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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