Dunning1874 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 15 hours ago, welshbairn said: I think before Sunday's debacle it was roughly the same or less in Catalonia. You're probably right now. It would be a huge mistake for the SNP to link our case with Catalonia though, totally different histories. Catalonia has never been an independent state for one, only a subservient principality. And you have the bits in France that may want to join. And the potential domino effect on other regions of Spain. I think a Federal arrangement is what they should be thinking about, EU membership wouldn't be an issue then. Which would have been easily the most popular option among Catalans if it was on the table, but Spain has stonewalled and obfuscated at every turn, making it clear that they'll never allow them more autonomy and going to the courts to ensure respective Catalan governments were unable to pursue that goal. This is what's pushed them to hold referenda on independence in the first place, and Madrid has now added state-sponsored violence into the mix to push them further toward the point of no return. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I find the links between the SNP/Catalonia a bit weird also; I'll admit I'm a bit ignorant but is Catalonia not a very wealthy area? It's not going to turn into some socialist utopia in the same way most folk think an indy Scotland will. It's relatively wealthy by Spanish Standards but it's mid table in terms of the Eurozone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I find the links between the SNP/Catalonia a bit weird also; I'll admit I'm a bit ignorant but is Catalonia not a very wealthy area? It's not going to turn into some socialist utopia in the same way most folk think an indy Scotland will. It's relatively wealthy by Spanish Standards but it's mid table in terms of the Eurozone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Slightly off topic, but how would posters feel if the people of Greater London decided that they wanted to be a seperate city state? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Slightly off topic, but how would posters feel if the people of Greater London decided that they wanted to be a seperate city state? I'd happily pack their bags. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 53 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Slightly off topic, but how would posters feel if the people of Greater London decided that they wanted to be a seperate city state? Actually said this a long while ago that when Scotland gains it's independence not only the UK will fragment but England will too 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Slightly off topic, but how would posters feel if the people of Greater London decided that they wanted to be a seperate city state? I'd be cool so long as they took the BofE, Treasury and the National Debt with them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 3 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Slightly off topic, but how would posters feel if the people of Greater London decided that they wanted to be a seperate city state? If the people of London wanted it then good luck to them. Same as Yorkshire, Shetland and Rutland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Mass strikes today and the King is to make speech at 9 o clock tonight 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Mass strikes today and the King is to make speech at 9 o clock tonight Interesting. I was speaking to a Spanish guy at work who stated that by constitution any referendum on catalan independence must be offered to the whole of Spain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-r-cfc Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Interesting. I was speaking to a Spanish guy at work who stated that by constitution any referendum on catalan independence must be offered to the whole of Spain. Any constitutional amendment (which would be required) needs the backing of both houses (pretty sure there is some requirement for a fresh election too) as well as a referendum in both Spain and Catalonia. So yeah, not easyAlso, pique booed by fans who shouted at him to get out at a Spanish open training session. Hope he tells them to shove their team 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 4 hours ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: Lets face it, it practically is. And we're all paying for it. Yep, there the c***s that are benefiting from the broad shoulders the most. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Catalonia will declare UDI within days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Catalonia will declare UDI within days. Source? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Source? Heard the same through rumours but wouldnt be surprised if true 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-r-cfc Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 The King has basically just said exactly what you'd expect a medieval relic to say. Vote was illegal, organisers put themselves outside the law. SPAIN will recover from this. Catalan society is fractured. Catalonia enjoys democracy and human rights within Spain (lol) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 hour ago, John Lambies Doos said: Source? Just rumour at the moment, but I don't see they have much choice now. Declare UDI and hope the world is watching following the inevitable violence and possible imprisonment of the Catalan leaders. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 2 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said: Interesting. I was speaking to a Spanish guy at work who stated that by constitution any referendum on catalan independence must be offered to the whole of Spain. Not sure if that is true,as i understand it there is no mechanism in the constitution to have any referendum across Spain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said: Not sure if that is true,as i understand it there is no mechanism in the constitution to have any referendum across Spain. You don't understand it. Fair fucks to the Catalan leaders. Looks like the tin pail and violent crackdowns in the short term and hope international outcry kicks in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Tv pictures incoming of tanks on the streets etc etc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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