Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[peasy23]

[D.A.F.C]

Just now, Billy Jean King said:

Yip, measures can only be reduced if the vaccine reduces transmission is a real shift of goal posts especially as he admits it will take months of studying those vaccinated to determine that.

Why didn't the journo follow up by asking WHY ? Or What's the point of the vaccine if it doesn't return us to some sense of normality.

I think this was always stated, that you can pass it on even if you are vaccinated so we need a certain percentage before this stops the spread.

[Gus Setsniffer]

3 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

This 'JVT' patter gives me the dry boak.

doesn't bother me, in fact we missed a trick there, the staunch would've had their masks on 24/7 if we had a similar guy called Frank Thomas Peterson

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6 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:

I completely agree but that logic went out the window in the summer with the "zero covid" horse shit when we were in single figure case numbers.

To be fair the pictures in NSW at the football did look class. Pursuing Zero Covid is an effective way to bring normality back it's worked in Australia and New Zealand. Our half hearted awful attempt was never going to work. 

It will be interesting if we again take a "4 nations approach" on what is considered acceptable risk I would imagine at least 2/3 would think that once the over 50s and those vulnerable have had their first vaccinations it's time over the next 12 weeks to ease back to normality and maybe this time we can actually start with completely opening up the outdoor industry before muck like bingo and cinemas are flung open.

[djchapsticks]

2 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

Yip, measures can only be reduced if the vaccine reduces transmission is a real shift of goal posts especially as he admits it will take months of studying those vaccinated to determine that.

Why didn't the journo follow up by asking WHY ? Or What's the point of the vaccine if it doesn't return us to some sense of normality.

Oh, I mean them calling him 'JVT' but aye, his answer was ludicrous as well.

Unfortunately, the journalists in these have no recourse to answer follow up questions.

[renton]

8 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

No resources should be diverted from essential care and vaccines, keep them shut.

In fairness it's not like the test and trace side of things is drawing from the same pool of resources as the folk doing vaccinations.

Not like Scot Gov are as seemingly enamoured with mass testing as the UK government anyway, for better or worse.

[invergowrie arab]

#letfansin 

[philpy]

1 hour ago, Rugster said:

Construction and manufacturing shut like in March. Schools shut. Time outside limited. Masks when you leave the house regardless of where you are going. No meeting anyone from out with your house outdoors. 

Possibly back to furlough for me then.  The sites were all shut back in march, but some of the branches were kept open, as staff were asked to state whether they wanted to work or go on furlough. Only 2 of us from the 8 staff in the branch (including me) wanted to continue under limited duties, but we ended up on furlough.

 

[Billy Jean King]

I think this was always stated, that you can pass it on even if you are vaccinated so we need a certain percentage before this stops the spread.

That wasn't his take today though. He was implying that the vaccine reducing severity / death isn't sufficient it has to reduce transmission too but that is totally unproven and not a claim made by any manufacturer so far.

Up to now it's been assumed prevention of death or sever infection would be enough to stop the current restrictions ie vaccinating those vulnerable and over 50.

[djchapsticks]

4 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

Yip, measures can only be reduced if the vaccine reduces transmission is a real shift of goal posts especially as he admits it will take months of studying those vaccinated to determine that.

Why didn't the journo follow up by asking WHY ? Or What's the point of the vaccine if it doesn't return us to some sense of normality.

If everyone (or enough people) are vaccinated, transmission becomes a non-issue. Surely this is obvious to them. This is a lot of what my issue has been for several weeks, these 'advisors' either hedge their bets or offer up information that simply doesn't add up under scrutiny.

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3 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

Yip, measures can only be reduced if the vaccine reduces transmission is a real shift of goal posts especially as he admits it will take months of studying those vaccinated to determine that.

Why didn't the journo follow up by asking WHY ? Or What's the point of the vaccine if it doesn't return us to some sense of normality.

Surely the virus spreads most easily from an infectious person coughing or sneezing? 

It's a droplet bourne virus so if people are vaccinated against the virus then fire on just like parents who get a polio boosted if they need it once their child has had the live vaccine, we don't wait to give the child a non live dose we take appropriate precautions. That's the pragmatic view and the view 90% of people will take.

Compliance with anything other than mask wearing and hand hygiene will be next to 0 once the vaccine is rolled out.

[Billy Jean King]

I would add thankfully there was no such talk from Sturgeon or Freeman today. Need to remember this is England being addressed here.

[Billy Jean King]

Surely the virus spreads most easily from an infectious person coughing or sneezing? 
It's a droplet bourne virus so if people are vaccinated against the virus then fire on just like parents who get a polio boosted if they need it once their child has had the live vaccine, we don't wait to give the child a non live dose we take appropriate precautions. That's the pragmatic view and the view 90% of people will take.
Compliance with anything other than mask wearing and hand hygiene will be next to 0 once the vaccine is rolled out.

I agree fully

[Marshmallo]

1 minute ago, 101 said:

Compliance with anything other than mask wearing and hand hygiene will be next to 0 once the vaccine is rolled out.

That won't open pubs, nightclubs or football grounds at full capacities though, for example. The government need to be more pragmatic than they've given any indication of being thus far.

[Theroadlesstravelled]

2 hours ago, MP_MFC said:

More and more coverage on the BBC about the vaccine not being the end of social distancing etc

Let the party commence.

 

The worry is that dafties will get the vaccine and think they can instantly stop social distancing and wearing a mask.

 

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Just now, Marshmallo said:

That won't open pubs, nightclubs or football grounds at full capacities though, for example. The government need to be more pragmatic than they've given any indication of being thus far.

Nightclubs are a nightmare perfect atmosphere for a virus to spread from glasses, keys, eating the face off someone combine that with poor ventilation you would need to be sure 99% of people the would attend a nightclub would self isolate if someone tested positive. I for one doubt it. Nightclubs should and will be last to open and I have no idea how you do it, you would need at least every adult vaccinated.

 

For the others a vaccine for the 50+ good ventilation, hand sanitiser and cashless payments I think would all keep the risk so low that it would open as normal. Otherwise during a flu season we would all come down with the flu assuming it's spread from coughing and sneezing.

[djchapsticks]

4 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

 

The worry is that dafties will get the vaccine and think they can instantly stop social distancing and wearing a mask.

 

Well, surely by the time it gets around to the 'dafties' as you so eloquently put it, the weak and vulnerable in society who will know to continue social distancing will have long since had their vaccines, so really, there should be no reason for said 'dafties' to continue with restrictions as the people we are all restricting to protect should be immune by that point...

[Bairnardo]

Prof Van-Tam adds that "we must go as fast as the speed of supplies” and that there shouldn't be supplies of the vaccine waiting to go out

Some sense above from "JVT" at least.

Once the vulnerable are vaccinated, we will see the hospital numbers reflect. At that point, it should be personal assessment of risk.

Holding restrictions in place whilst the NHS is in no danger is unacceptable overstep of government. It's just that simple

[welshbairn]

7 minutes ago, 101 said:

Nightclubs are a nightmare perfect atmosphere for a virus to spread from glasses, keys, eating the face off someone combine that with poor ventilation you would need to be sure 99% of people the would attend a nightclub would self isolate if someone tested positive. I for one doubt it. Nightclubs should and will be last to open and I have no idea how you do it, you would need at least every adult vaccinated.

 

For the others a vaccine for the 50+ good ventilation, hand sanitiser and cashless payments I think would all keep the risk so low that it would open as normal. Otherwise during a flu season we would all come down with the flu assuming it's spread from coughing and sneezing.

True, I think I've only had the flu once and that could have just been a very bad cold. It was fucking horrible. And with no vaccine until recently (caring duties, not quite old enough yet to qualify, in a normal year anyway).

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1 minute ago, welshbairn said:

True, I think I've only had the flu once and that could have just been a very bad cold. It was fucking horrible. And with no vaccine until recently (caring duties, not quite old enough yet to qualify, in a normal year anyway).

Falkirk is of course extra ventilated thanks to being 3 sided  sorry couldn't resist.

You can always pay around £10 for the flu jab at any chemists worth it imo.