DukDukGoose Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Alert Mongoose said: The fact that as a nation we have been sleepwalking into becoming a retirement home is really starting to show. It shows how getting dragged into the ‘no immigrants welcome here’ Brexit shitshow was such a disaster. As a society we are also prioritising our own ‘enjoyment’ over the need to procreate (unlike every other species on the planet) which doesn’t help either. Aye. A lot of my wives pals wanted to be financially secure before having kids (ha!). Now those who are loaded are struggling to have. The others are no more secure than they were before due to buying bigger properties or more expensive cars. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 NS pretending she doesn't know what everyone discussed at the COBR meeting.[emoji38] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Auld Jason smacking down Brit Nats is certainly going to improve his kudos. Less TV Ads more Yoon bashing please. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Yeah, the timescales on a vaccine never changed but that wasn't my point. Even throughout vaccine development, most people were fully understanding and sympathetic of the reasons for locking down. My point though is that there was no guarantee of any of the vaccines in development at that point actually being viable and really, questions should have been asked in terms of what the plan would be if they weren't as in many eyes, the vaccine was the be all and end all with not cast-iron guarantee that it would work at that point in time. Yet no-one seemed to ask the question 'what if' - that ties into Craig's question. What if there's a similar pandemic (very likely according to the WHO) where a vaccine can't be produced so quickly....what then would be the circumstances in which we'd live with it? With regards to your last sentence, unfortunately, in an age where people have all the information needed at a few touches of a button, misinformation and confirmation bias has seemingly won through or at least, currently is winning. The 'they are trying to control us' mob's narrative is pish. If they were, I'm sure they wouldn't look at such fucking mainstream pieces of media as Nineteen Eighty-Four or V for vandetta and go 'yup, we'll get away with that, no-one will draw parallels'.Makes you wonder why even in the long term strategy for the current pandemic, we havent heard too much about a massive increase in ICU capacity being significantly better use of budget than shite like high speed rail and nuclear weapons. Wheres the 5 year plan for loads more beds, doctors and nurses... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Spoiler alert for Johnson's spiel tonight. Only 36 hours after appearing on Marr to tell everyone the schools were safe! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, djchapsticks said: Yeah, the timescales on a vaccine never changed but that wasn't my point. Even throughout vaccine development, most people were fully understanding and sympathetic of the reasons for locking down. My point though is that there was no guarantee of any of the vaccines in development at that point actually being viable and really, questions should have been asked in terms of what the plan would be if they weren't as in many eyes, the vaccine was the be all and end all with not cast-iron guarantee that it would work at that point in time. Yet no-one seemed to ask the question 'what if' - that ties into Craig's question. What if there's a similar pandemic (very likely according to the WHO) where a vaccine can't be produced so quickly....what then would be the circumstances in which we'd live with it? With regards to your last sentence, unfortunately, in an age where people have all the information needed at a few touches of a button, misinformation and confirmation bias has seemingly won through or at least, currently is winning. The 'they are trying to control us' mob's narrative is pish. If they were, I'm sure they wouldn't look at such fucking mainstream pieces of media as Nineteen Eighty-Four or V for vandetta and go 'yup, we'll get away with that, no-one will draw parallels'. I think the bigger problem at hand is young people feel they are invincible. We're not going to die so why should I follow the rules. End lockdown and let everyone go about their lives. None of them consider the drain that would cause the healthcare system. Why would we purposely infect doctors and nurses? To my knowledge the restrictions are failing to work because a very large percentage fail to follow them. Until they do we're going to be stuck in this situation for a long time. In regards to the 'what if' I'd imagine the reason this is ignored is because the answers would be of the frightening nature. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, Bairnardo said: Makes you wonder why even in the long term strategy for the current pandemic, we havent heard too much about a massive increase in ICU capacity being significantly better use of budget than shite like high speed rail and nuclear weapons. Wheres the 5 year plan for loads more beds, doctors and nurses... Especially with an aging population. Even without the burden of a pandemic, there is going to be a massive surge of hospital admissions in the next 20-30 years as average age of the country continues to increase. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 900k vaccinated by the end of January would be fantastic and worthy of massive praise to all involved if it's delivered. It should also be accompanied by massive lifting of restrictions. Of the hospitalised population, what percentage would be part of the 900k most vulnerable? If they can do a million(ish) vaccines in Scotland per month, roll it back at a tier a month until you have zero restrictions, roughly. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, 101 said: Auld Jason smacking down Brit Nats is certainly going to improve his kudos. Less TV Ads more Yoon bashing please. How would he know, he's just a dentist... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 I think the bigger problem at hand is young people feel they are invincible. We're not going to die so why should I follow the rules. End lockdown and let everyone go about their lives. None of them consider the drain that would cause the healthcare system. Why would we purposely infect doctors and nurses? To my knowledge the restrictions are failing to work because a very large percentage fail to follow them. Until they do we're going to be stuck in this situation for a long time. In regards to the 'what if' I'd imagine the reason this is ignored is because the answers would be of the frightening nature.We should be stuck in this situation precisely until ICU starts to show signs of the vaccine easing the strain. The governments job is to ensure the NHS can function. It's not their job to torpedo anything like a decent lifestyle for all to prevent people catching a virus. If restrictions remain in place when the covid occupancy of hospitals plummet, young folk will correctly f**k them clean off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, Tynierose said: Jesus told him at one of his sky fairy sessions. No I did not, he overheard it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/ List of rules there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Mark Connolly said: How would he know, he's just a dentist... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1nickydevlin Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Can't be bothered going through all the posts .I'm a plumber am I still aloud go to work .for non essential work .I was furloghed for 2 month at the start of this pandemic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Tynierose said: Unfortunately as club covid co-ordinator and club secretary I need to be there, if it goes ahead. Humping for who though? Ah, I didn't know you were a medic advisor for the club also..... As for the humping, we have only had 3 shots on target in our last 4 games, scoring heehaw. I'm sure you will be paying the win bonus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: 8 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: I think the bigger problem at hand is young people feel they are invincible. We're not going to die so why should I follow the rules. End lockdown and let everyone go about their lives. None of them consider the drain that would cause the healthcare system. Why would we purposely infect doctors and nurses? To my knowledge the restrictions are failing to work because a very large percentage fail to follow them. Until they do we're going to be stuck in this situation for a long time. In regards to the 'what if' I'd imagine the reason this is ignored is because the answers would be of the frightening nature. We should be stuck in this situation precisely until ICU starts to show signs of the vaccine easing the strain. The governments job is to ensure the NHS can function. It's not their job to torpedo anything like a decent lifestyle for all to prevent people catching a virus. If restrictions remain in place when the covid occupancy of hospitals plummet, young folk will correctly f**k them clean off. Actually it is their job. We chose them as the designated people to make such decisions. They're not there to run the country how you see fit. They're there to run the country how they see fit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermik Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Huge queues at Edinburgh Asda. Veg aisles are empty 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 9 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Makes you wonder why even in the long term strategy for the current pandemic, we havent heard too much about a massive increase in ICU capacity being significantly better use of budget than shite like high speed rail and nuclear weapons. Wheres the 5 year plan for loads more beds, doctors and nurses... It seems to me that pandemic control is going to be the civil defence of the 21st century. I think it does bear thinking about things like building up stockpiles of equipment and perishables. Building excess capacity into hospitals - particularly ICUs. Some kind of ready reserve list for staff to get called up. Nationalise the care sector with tough regulation to make it far easier to protect in times of emergency. Get away from Just In Time delivery towards maintaining stockpiles and inventory. Some kind of early warning agency who's job it is to model emerging threats. Regular pandemic exercises. Maintain, the test and trace system in some form or another. It is also going to need a change in outlook. Over reaction by government is far less damaging than waiting to see. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Have some faith in Magic Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, Lyle Lanley said: https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/ List of rules there. Professional sport on the list. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Have some faith in Magic Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, supermik said: Huge queues at Edinburgh Asda. Veg aisles are empty You really do have to wonder about some people. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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