Cyclizine Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: What CYG is forgetting in his fantasy scenario though is that the government have already told the shielding population not to go to work. So either his parents arent actually as vulnerable as he is making out, or they need to go and speak to their doctors re why they need to be further protected He has said that both his parents have had occupational health assessments. I have to take him at his word on this. This suggests that there were no reasonable adjustments felt necessary to their working practices. A proper OH assessment would have gone into detail about their health and the impact of their jobs in that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 15 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: Tbh mate I don't care. I have had mental health problems too so I sympathise, but compared to people dying alone in a hospital bed someone's mental health is of zero importance. So people already struggling and deciding to end their life is of “zero importance” compared to covid deaths? Just wow 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bernardblack Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Speaks volumes of how bad the old firm have made football up here, that the first minister has to explain that she doesn’t have a preference. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: Fair enough, I'm sure you would when it was you or one of your loved ones god forbid. We prioritise things like this, and someone dying next week is of much more importance than someone's mental health deteriorating. So you can die of anything so long as it's not covid then? Arsehole 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Just to add on to my previous post. I read a 6 year old girl died because her cancer treatment was stopped due to the covid situation. Why are people accepting “covid above all illnesses”. People killing themselves because they’re struggling mentally, people dying because their treatments are being stopped or appointments cancelled, yet that’s fine. I despair 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, bernardblack said: Speaks volumes of how bad the old firm have made football up here, that the first minister has to explain that she doesn’t have a preference. She's like the rest of us. Just delighted to have a close title race every season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Granny Danger said: This isn’t a lockdown. Had to go and pick up medication, the roads are as busy as an normal Monday. I had a wee sleep in this morning, so was on the A1 and M1 between seven and eight. OK, it's moving closer to rush-hour as you pass Leeds, but it was the busiest I've seen roads since the first lockdown. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, virginton said: ...such as the exit of a supermarket, which every single time is blocked by about five wifeys putting their purse inside their bag and inside their other bag... Surprisingly accurate description of the exit at the Meadowbank Sainsbury's. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, bernardblack said: Speaks volumes of how bad the old firm have made football up here, that the first minister has to explain that she doesn’t have a preference. That the old firm have taken a up a sizeable chunk of the First Minister's Covid briefing is sad reflection on Scotland 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 15 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: Again that argument doesn't stand up when a furlough scheme is available. Nobody would lose their house or their income. The people who own the company would make less money for a while is all. Assuming that 80% of salary is enough for everyone to live on and that it's viable to mothball the business, sure. That's not a very sensible assumption though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1885 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Fair enough, I'm sure you would when it was you or one of your loved ones god forbid. We prioritise things like this, and someone dying next week is of much more importance than someone's mental health deteriorating.I'm not sure you can quantify this into such a black and white issue. Like most things, the balance is somewhere in the middle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, coprolite said: Assuming that 80% of salary is enough for everyone to live on and that it's viable to mothball the business, sure. That's not a very sensible assumption though. It's a reality that literally millions of people and countless other businesses have had to deal with since March. A company does not have a divine right to continue operating in a pandemic because it provides income or else literally nothing would be closed right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Steven W said: That the old firm have taken a up a sizeable chunk of the First Minister's Covid briefing is sad reflection on Scotland Don't think it is - they weren't in Dubai for work and they certainly weren't there to fulfill a sporting fixture. The trip was at best dubious if not against the travel guidance and should never have gone ahead. It was basically a holiday, which is against the travel guidance. Calling it a training camp is stretching the definition of "work" too far. They've also returned with a player testing positive and another dozen having to isolate. This is entirely self-inflicted. The spotlight this has shown on football has been unwelcome. That's the lower leagues now suspended and I don't think it's a coincidence given the publicity this little jolly to Dubai generated. Edited January 11, 2021 by Michael W 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 14 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said: So people already struggling and deciding to end their life is of “zero importance” compared to covid deaths? Just wow That's my opinion, I've lost friends to suicide and been very depressed myself, but this is a pandemic and takes priority over everything, absolutely everything. If we did that now we could be out the other side by April. Support should always be offered to people who need it, but we shouldn't adjust our policy in tackling a pandemic because of it. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 14 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said: So you can die of anything so long as it's not covid then? Arsehole Its not a comparable situation. We're not getting a hundred suicides a day in Scotland are we? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 15 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said: Just to add on to my previous post. I read a 6 year old girl died because her cancer treatment was stopped due to the covid situation. Why are people accepting “covid above all illnesses”. People killing themselves because they’re struggling mentally, people dying because their treatments are being stopped or appointments cancelled, yet that’s fine. I despair Its not fine, but as a society we have to address Covid first. This is like a war situation. Realistically nobody is going to stop you going out for some exercise anyway so its a pointless conversation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, coprolite said: Assuming that 80% of salary is enough for everyone to live on and that it's viable to mothball the business, sure. That's not a very sensible assumption though. Again you're using one failing to justify another. Govt could make that 100% couldn't they? They've done that in other countries haven't they? So your issue is really with them, not this. You should be lobbying them to increase that to 100% and compensate businesses (his work already got millions from Scottish Enterprise btw) then we could act like a responsible serious country in tackling a pandemic and not ask people to risk their lives five days a week unless its absolutely necessary and every possible protection has been put in place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: Its not a comparable situation. We're not getting a hundred suicides a day in Scotland are we? 3 died in yesterday's figures from Covid, 2 suicides on average daily, pre covid. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Just now, welshbairn said: 3 died in yesterday's figures from Covid, 2 suicides on average daily, pre covid. Seven thousand died from Covid in the last ten months. How many suicides? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, virginton said: It's a reality that literally millions of people and countless other businesses have had to deal with since March. A company does not have a divine right to continue operating in a pandemic because it provides income or else literally nothing would be closed right now. That's obviously true. But that doesn't mean that we can close everything without any consequences just because we have furlough available. Someone has to make a decision about what the acceptable trade off is between economic and public health consequences of things staying open. It is particularly difficult to judge these where the health effects can lead to economic effects and vice versa. I'm glad i don't have to make that call. That's not to say that the government should be beyond criticism, but to zero in on one single aspect and not consider any context isn't really a valid basis for criticism. It is hard to see why the government wouldn't mandate masks for any shared spaces (with reasonable exclusions). The actual costs would be miniscule. It's a lot harder to see why we should be closing everything that's not 100% safe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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