Bairnardo Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Barry Ferguson's Hat said: Children are the future. Something to think about, there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 7 hours ago, madwullie said: Have to bear in mind they're exclusively using Pfizer as well up till now iirc But of course its fantastic news. What's happening with them re restrictions? They're still allowed to bombard Gaza. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Vaccine as good in 'real world' as in trial in Israel Some more positive news out of Israel on the vaccine front. Aye but how does it fare against the as yet undiscovered Sea of Galilee variant? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, NorthernLights said: Vaccine as good in 'real world' as in trial in Israel Some more positive news out of Israel on the vaccine front. I don’t see how it wouldn’t be. I’d imagine their using the same vaccine in the trial as they are in ‘real world’ and one would also imagine both the trials and ‘real world’ were tested on alive human beings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 I don’t see how it wouldn’t be. I’d imagine their using the same vaccine in the trial as they are in ‘real world’ and one would also imagine both the trials and ‘real world’ were tested on alive human beings.Story probably only needed released because of the bizarre prevalence of "WE NEED TO WAIT AND SEE IF THEY WORK" stories 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 minute ago, TheScarf said: I don’t see how it wouldn’t be. I’d imagine their using the same vaccine in the trial as they are in ‘real world’ and one would also imagine both the trials and ‘real world’ were tested on alive human beings. The "wE jUsT dOn'T kNoW!!1!" climbdown will take time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, Barry Ferguson's Hat said: Children are the future. Something to think about, there. I agree. If we teach them well we can let them lead the way. We can do that by showing them all the beauty they possess inside. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 34 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: People aren't outright dismissing the effect on kids, but the idea that they somehow have it harder than everyone else, or that they are desperate to get back to the classroom for anything other than social reasons can get fired right into the bin where it belongs. Everyone is bored and missing socialising with friends. Unlike adults, however, children under 12 especially can actually still do this. Children's social lives should not be the number one priority. The difference between adults and kids is development. Most adults have learned most of what they're going to about social interactions. Most kids are still learning and learning fast. Not socialising won't have a lasting effect on most adults like it will on most kids. Plus the rules where i am don't let kids out to socialise. Not sure how that works for younger kids. Are five year olds supposed to be going alone to meet their pals in the park? Sounds mental. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 13 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: I agree. If we teach them well we can let them lead the way. We can do that by showing them all the beauty they possess inside. Let them lead the way? The wee bassas have started an anti-vaxx campaign. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Another mental statement from Johnson. The routemap will be "cautious but irreversible " that's some statement !!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, coprolite said: The difference between adults and kids is development. Most adults have learned most of what they're going to about social interactions. Most kids are still learning and learning fast. Not socialising won't have a lasting effect on most adults like it will on most kids. We're talking about an extra 6 weeks or so, in the grand scheme of things it makes little difference. Prioritising children socialising above everything else is mental, and nothing more than an attempt to appease parents. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Apparently the first easing of restrictions will be meeting people in parks. Which has been going on all winter so really nothing will change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Another mental statement from Johnson. The routemap will be "cautious but irreversible " that's some statement !!!Lol right on que when asked the very question "I can't give a cast iron guarantee....but I'm optimistic". Does this utter clown even listen to what he's saying ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Apparently the first easing of restrictions will be meeting people in parks. Which has been going on all winter so really nothing will change. It appears to be a return to the rule of 6. As I said yesterday this year is going to be a carbon copy of last year despite vaccines. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Detournement said: Apparently the first easing of restrictions will be meeting people in parks. Which has been going on all winter so really nothing will change. Ah but you'll be able to sit on a bench now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 59 minutes ago, superbigal said: I can only talk of experience of.my sons school. 1500 pupils over 2 sites. Total positive tests from August to December was 2. This is accurate as Fife report them all and I like.my figures as you all know. Now the school is academically the best in Fife so it may well be that transfers through to following the rules more than other schools. Does show it is possible though to avoid widespread events. Nursery/school I work in: 2cases School kids in: 2 cases Their previous school: 0 cases. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 It appears to be a return to the rule of 6. As I said yesterday this year is going to be a carbon copy of last year despite vaccines.When they concede this inch, I hope everyone takes a mile 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 I'm not going to get annoyed by the routemap until I see it, and have also seen what NS things she needs to be seen to care more about and change for no real reason. For someone who bangs on about a 4 nations approach being best she doesn't half love deviating and "going further" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 I don’t see how it wouldn’t be. I’d imagine their using the same vaccine in the trial as they are in ‘real world’ and one would also imagine both the trials and ‘real world’ were tested on alive human beings.I haven't really read into the details of trials for these vaccines, but in general the main question, statistically speaking, is whether the sample in the trial is representative of the general population. It is conceivable that there are groups of people who are missed by the trial for whatever reason - for example a group being too vulnerable to take part or a certain type of person with certain characteristics being more willing to take part than others.A simple example would be if you were only advertising for participants on the internet, then you're going to miss out a lot of older people or more vulnerable people who don't use the internet much. That's obviously quite simplistic, but there will be other more nuanced issues that could easily be overlooked.You try to account for these things in the design of your trial and in your analysis, but there's always a tiny chance that something has been overlooked. Therefore it's always going to be something that is monitored to make sure that everything is working as intended. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 I know it doesn’t need saying but Boris really is an absolute moron. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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