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7 hours ago, madwullie said:

Have to bear in mind they're exclusively using Pfizer as well up till now iirc 

But of course its fantastic news. 

What's happening with them re restrictions? 

They're still allowed to bombard Gaza.

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5 minutes ago, NorthernLights said:

Vaccine as good in 'real world' as in trial in Israel

Some more positive news out of Israel on the vaccine front.

 

I don’t see how it wouldn’t be. I’d imagine their using the same vaccine in the trial as they are in ‘real world’ and one would also imagine both the trials and ‘real world’ were tested on alive human beings.

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I don’t see how it wouldn’t be. I’d imagine their using the same vaccine in the trial as they are in ‘real world’ and one would also imagine both the trials and ‘real world’ were tested on alive human beings.
Story probably only needed released because of the bizarre prevalence of "WE NEED TO WAIT AND SEE IF THEY WORK" stories
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1 minute ago, TheScarf said:

I don’t see how it wouldn’t be. I’d imagine their using the same vaccine in the trial as they are in ‘real world’ and one would also imagine both the trials and ‘real world’ were tested on alive human beings.

The "wE jUsT dOn'T kNoW!!1!" climbdown will take time.

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34 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

People aren't outright dismissing the effect on kids, but the idea that they somehow have it harder than everyone else, or that they are desperate to get back to the classroom for anything other than social reasons can get fired right into the bin where it belongs.

Everyone is bored and missing socialising with friends. Unlike adults, however, children under 12 especially can actually still do this.

Children's social lives should not be the number one priority.

The difference between adults and kids is development. 

Most adults have learned most of what they're going to about social interactions. Most kids are still learning and learning fast. 

Not socialising won't have a lasting effect on most adults like it will on most kids. 

Plus the rules where i am don't let kids out to socialise. Not sure how that works for younger kids.  Are five year olds supposed to be going alone to meet their pals in the park? Sounds mental. 

 

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5 minutes ago, coprolite said:

The difference between adults and kids is development. 

Most adults have learned most of what they're going to about social interactions. Most kids are still learning and learning fast. 

Not socialising won't have a lasting effect on most adults like it will on most kids. 

We're talking about an extra 6 weeks or so, in the grand scheme of things it makes little difference.

Prioritising children socialising above everything else is mental, and nothing more than an attempt to appease parents.

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59 minutes ago, superbigal said:

I can only talk of experience of.my sons school. 1500 pupils over 2 sites. Total positive tests from August to December was 2. This is accurate as Fife report them all and I like.my figures as you all know.
Now the school is academically the best in Fife so it may well be that transfers through to following the rules more than other schools.
Does show it is possible though to avoid widespread events.

Nursery/school I work in: 2cases

School kids in: 2 cases

Their previous school: 0 cases.

 

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I'm not going to get annoyed by the routemap until I see it, and have also seen what NS things she needs to be seen to care more about and change for no real reason.

For someone who bangs on about a 4 nations approach being best she doesn't half love deviating and "going further"

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I don’t see how it wouldn’t be. I’d imagine their using the same vaccine in the trial as they are in ‘real world’ and one would also imagine both the trials and ‘real world’ were tested on alive human beings.

I haven't really read into the details of trials for these vaccines, but in general the main question, statistically speaking, is whether the sample in the trial is representative of the general population. It is conceivable that there are groups of people who are missed by the trial for whatever reason - for example a group being too vulnerable to take part or a certain type of person with certain characteristics being more willing to take part than others.

A simple example would be if you were only advertising for participants on the internet, then you're going to miss out a lot of older people or more vulnerable people who don't use the internet much. That's obviously quite simplistic, but there will be other more nuanced issues that could easily be overlooked.

You try to account for these things in the design of your trial and in your analysis, but there's always a tiny chance that something has been overlooked. Therefore it's always going to be something that is monitored to make sure that everything is working as intended.
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