Todd_is_God Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, HibsFan said: Can anyone hand on heart say that they expect Sturgeon, the SG and their advisors to suddenly have a change of heart at the end of April and suddenly accelerate towards ending any and all restrictions? Even if the data is showing that it would be on balance safe to do so? Nothing about their actions so far, right down to keeping almost all of Scotland in hugely restrictive tiers while cases were marginal, suggests that's going to be the case. I think we're in for many more months of "we just don't know"ing and "we've got to be cautious"ing, and your best bet if you're Scottish and want to hug your granny again is that Johnson's roadmap pays off. I think today has effectively confirmed that we will pretty much follow England, but a few weeks behind. Let the English assess the data at their 5 weekly reviews, and use it at our 3 weekly reviews to decide what to do next. That's not really what I would want my elected Leader to do (it's not really leading), but it's the strategy she has chosen. She's also quipped that people can use the election in May to vote on Pandemic Leadership which, by mid-May,might not be quite the vote winning zinger she thought at the time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Do people remember that tier three was utter shite? Restaurants open until six with no alcohol whatsoever. England won’t be opening up with this pointless move that’s for sure. If it is to be a new tier three, then details of what that involves should be published today... 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, HibsFan said: Can anyone hand on heart say that they expect Sturgeon, the SG and their advisors to suddenly have a change of heart at the end of April and suddenly accelerate towards ending any and all restrictions? Even if the data is showing that it would be on balance safe to do so? Nothing about their actions so far, right down to keeping almost all of Scotland in hugely restrictive tiers while cases were marginal, suggests that's going to be the case. I think we're in for many more months of "we just don't know"ing and "we've got to be cautious"ing, and your best bet if you're Scottish and want to hug your granny again is that Johnson's roadmap pays off. They were willing to move LAs around tiers though. With mixed success. Was it not Midlothian that got up into tier 2 before cases shot up promptly again? In late autumn, early winter cases weren't marginal, hospitals were already under pressure and a couple of weeks of Christmas shopping and then Christmas day fired rates through the roof. You could argue that certain aspects of the tiers removed what little headroom there was (depending on your position around the impact of schools on R) but what it did suggest either way was that it didn't require a huge increase in activity from that point to get us back into a bad place. So not sure, in retrospect that the restrictive tiers were unnecessary. It's different this time, and by the end of March the top 4 JCVI groups should be showing good protection and that will be reflected in hospital numbers and deaths. Assuming case numbers drop to some degree over that time there should be optimism for getting more open, sooner. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, virginton said: Aye the new tier 3 will be so much better than the old one, once they get round to scribbling the details on the back of a fag packet first. You are beyond gullible. Having a socially distanced day out is subject to fines by the police swarming around two of the three forms of transport you mention (though not the disease-riddled buses that cause the problem). The idea that we must stay at home by legal requirement until April the fucking fifth is utterly risible. I've been on the ferries and trains plenty and nobody has batted an eyelid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, No_Problemo said: Do people remember that tier three was utter shite? Restaurants open until six with no alcohol whatsoever. England won’t be opening up with this pointless move that’s for sure. If it is to be a new tier three, then details of what that involves should be published today... No, they won't be opening up indoor hospitality at all until mid May. Edited February 23, 2021 by renton 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds are Forever Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, craigkillie said: The biggest issue for me is the lack of a clear end point to all of this. I'm not talking about a date, I'm talking about a "at some point in the future we will be lifting these restrictions roughly in this order". The tier system doesn't do that, because even Tier 0 is still full of restrictions. There should be a very clear message that at some point, some time in the future, all of the restrictions will be listed, ideally with at least some indication of what is needed for that to happen. Absolutely. It is clear they have no idea what the end point of all this is. It's perfectly understandable saying that they can't give exact dates and the data will guide these dates etc, but all that has to be within the context of an actual plan or vision with a clear end goal. If you have no clear end goal you cannot expect to bring people with you and make these immense sacrifices. Part of me thinks they are deliberately hanging back behind the rest of the UK to see what happens, if the rest of the UK sails effortlessly out of lockdown then they'll put their foot on the accelerator and say they were just being cautious. If the UK ends up back in lockdown or having to delay their route map then they'll claim they were right to be cautious. But then the other part of me thinks they just have no clue what they are doing. Edited February 23, 2021 by Diamonds are Forever 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Just now, No_Problemo said: If it is to be a new tier three, then details of what that involves should be published today... Correct 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Not got time for everything. English reviewing international travel mid April with view to recommencing May 17th at earliest. Did we get anything on this bar it was travel that gave us wave 2 so we are being cautious ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, No_Problemo said: Do people remember that tier three was utter shite? Restaurants open until six with no alcohol whatsoever. England won’t be opening up with this pointless move that’s for sure. If it is to be a new tier three, then details of what that involves should be published today... I don’t know, is allowing beer gardens/outside spaces to open mid-April really much better? You’ll get more money in from people coming in for food/drink during the day than allowing people to only sit outdoors, especially if it’s shit weather. Better being on Furlough money up to that point. Edited February 23, 2021 by Jambomo -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 8 week holding pen. One of the lowest amount of cases out of all the regions in the country. Why oh why does this country need to continuously elect this authoritarian, incompetent regime. -6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Non-contact outdoor group sports for 12-17 year olds recommencing in three weeks? I'm buzzing for that netball gold at the 2026 Commonwealth Games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jambomo said: I don’t know, is allowing beer gardens/outside spaces to open mid-April really much better? You’ll get more money in from people coming in for food/drink during the day than allowing people to only sit outdoors, especially if it’s shot weather. Better being on Furlough money up to that point. Nobody is putting a gun to their head and demand that they open. If it doesn't make business sense they won't do so. There is absolutely no reason to compel them to stay closed though when deaths will likely be in the single digits. Edited February 23, 2021 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Might've missed it, but did Nicola say anything about grassroots sport? In England 'organised outdoor sport' can return from March 29. Be a bit of a farce if Tooting and Mitcham Rovers Amateurs can play down south, but nobody can do anything up here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, craigkillie said: The biggest issue for me is the lack of a clear end point to all of this. I'm not talking about a date, I'm talking about a "at some point in the future we will be lifting these restrictions roughly in this order". The tier system doesn't do that, because even Tier 0 is still full of restrictions. There should be a very clear message that at some point, some time in the future, all of the restrictions will be listed, ideally with at least some indication of what is needed for that to happen. 4 minutes ago, Gaz said: Let's be honest, if Johnson hadn't come out yesterday and told everyone they could go to the Maniqui on the 21st June we'd all be sitting here thinking that what she said sounds pretty reasonable. Agree with both of these. It seems a reasonable timescale to move back to less severe restrictions after all of groups 1-9 are vaccinated although dependent on how the data is looking then after another two months of this I'd hope most areas would be going straight to at least Level 2 if not 1 or 0; bringing back the levels just to arbitrarily pile places into 3 or 4 wouldn't do. Unlike the last time we had geographical levels, be clear about the criteria for each level and actually follow it properly - hopefully March sees that set out clearly. However, there's been no indication of what comes next. I'm not asking for a precise date in several months time when it doesn't help anyone to make a promise you can't keep and have to row back on dates several times, but there's no indication of what happens after the geographical levels come back. Is the plan to wait until everywhere goes to Level 0, to wait until every adult is vaccinated, or what? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Stormzy said: 8 week holding pen. One of the lowest amount of cases out of all the regions in the country. Why oh why does this country need to continuously elect this authoritarian, incompetent regime. You wanted them, you got them and all the flag waving nationalism that goes with it... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Am I right in thinking the following; England 29th March - outdoor sports such as football can return for adulta and childen Scotland Not even a mention, and therefore won't return until late April at the very earliest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, renton said: They were willing to move LAs around tiers though. With mixed success. Was it not Midlothian that got up into tier 2 before cases shot up promptly again? I'm seeing just now that even Moray, which went straight from Tier 1 up to full lockdown 2.0 overnight, is suddenly having a bad outbreak of it, and this has clearly developed during the 'stay at home' phase. My educated guess is that folk in these areas, particularly Keith where there's a much higher X per 100,000 than average, folk are thinking "we were Tier 1 before national lockdown, so it's not really a problem up here". Basically once the guard is dropped, it's f***ed. Edited February 23, 2021 by Hedgecutter -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 17 hours ago, buchan30 said: Not to that extent, but i did fear how bad it would be when i seen the pictures from italy. Never went full lovejoy on it, but it did show admittedly, the worst case scenario. As the months went on, i relaxed a bit more (not to the extent of breaking rules) but certainly to the extent of not wiping the shopping down. Etc. Aye, that was scary. I think we've been, if not breaking, bending rules since November, with (fleeting) visits from grandchildren and stepchildren, and facilitating access for child visits for an estranged partner, although we are in a bubble with one household 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latapythelegend Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Stormzy said: 8 week holding pen. One of the lowest amount of cases out of all the regions in the country. Why oh why does this country need to continuously elect this authoritarian, incompetent regime. Get a grip. It's hardly Guantanamo. The message from Boris yesterday pretty much the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Has there been an announcement yet that @Billy Jean King hasn't defended as if his life depended on it? The church stuff is a ridiculous piece of bollocks. There are more people unemployed than attend a church service, getting things opened and people back into jobs is far more important than letting people pray to their god in their preferred building. Aside from that it is pretty much as I was expecting. I know she said we'd release things faster if the data allowed, but did she give any indication of what sort of data levels we need for that to happen? She's left it deliberately very vague, which I understand but I do find a bit frustrating. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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